Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
ing clueless hack. Let's see what you know about OSAMA bin laden and the US government. Honestly, somebody makes a poorly-researched film and suddenly there's conspiracy behind every corner. ing grow up, darkie.
You're just scared. If you think there's only one film/book out there, it's obvious you are just ignorant and naive, and uneducated. It's because of people like you why secrets have to be kept. Go back to your comfort zone; reality TV and My Chemical Romance. Just live the happy, blue-collared life, where your closed-mid can criticize all the people you want for their beliefs and opinions.
happyness
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Originally posted by Dilmeet Go back to your comfort zone; reality TV and My Chemical Romance. Just live the happy, blue-collared life, where your closed-mid can criticize all the people you want for their beliefs and opinions.
harsh
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Dilmeet
You're just scared. If you think there's only one film/book out there, it's obvious you are just ignorant and naive, and uneducated. It's because of people like you why secrets have to be kept. Go back to your comfort zone; reality TV and My Chemical Romance. Just live the happy, blue-collared life, where your closed-mid can criticize all the people you want for their beliefs and opinions.
the only thing im scared about is the sincere lack of intellectual honesty portrayed by people like yourself or ummie. im scared that today's generations are educated by youtube videos and second-rate books published by obvious charlatans. i am truly amazed by how many of you 'internet detectives' exist. yes, indeed i am scared by that.
sitting around obsessing over zeitgeist, or loose change or something written by david icke isn't doing real research. embarrassing displays of confirmation bias isn't a substitute for analysis.
i'll bet my left nut that everything you have ever thought or said regarding these topics falls into one of the categories below:
10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.
2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.
3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.
4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.
7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.
8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.
9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.
10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.
A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.
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oh, and you too.
UmmiE
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you, moron.
Have you ever been outside of Australia? or have travelled to Middle East or lived there for certian amount of time? for what your replies,knowledge and understanding of the subject being discussed here to me it seems like you are the Aussie version of these people:-
david.michael
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Originally posted by UmmiE
Have you ever been outside of Australia? or have travelled to Middle East or lived there for certian amount of time? for what your replies,knowledge and understanding of the subject being discussed here to me it seems like you are the Aussie version of these people:-
:wtf:
:: commits suicide ::
drivingforce
I love how people say increase awareness that oil is depleting and soon we'll be screwed if that runs out. I feel that people should be educated abotu it, though I do not feel that its as much a concern as a lot of people emphasize. The stone age didn't end because they ran out of rocks, it ended b/c technology advanced, which changed their reliance on certain resources. Which in theory should happen in regards to oil as well. Most likely our advancement of technology will create less reliance on the substance allowing us to filter it out completely at some point. imo
Pokit
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Originally posted by UmmiE
Have you ever been outside of Australia? or have travelled to Middle East or lived there for certian amount of time? for what your replies,knowledge and understanding of the subject being discussed here to me it seems like you are the Aussie version of these people:-
LOL what is the guy on the back doing? Hiding his face because he doesn't want to be seen with that crazy woman? :wtf:
UmmiE
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Originally posted by Pokit
LOL what is the guy on the back doing? Hiding his face because he doesn't want to be seen with that crazy woman? :wtf:
Well thats pkc's dad in back, his mom in the middle and him in the front with their family dog.His dad is saying inside him " I dont know these crazy people they are just giving me a ride up the road so I can catch that once a day bus to the city".
pkcRAISTLIN
that's all you could muster? :( im disappointed. i know you're scared to pick a particular point of the debate and run with it. i would be too if i spewed as much nonsense as you. you see, i actually have a degree in this field, i studied terrorism at an honours level. asides from being a dirty paki and it being in your blood, where's your knowledge of terrorism spring from?
enjoy parading your ignorance and google-era research skills.
infinity HiGH
So what did they teach you at the Honours Level Terrorism course that's so much more authoritative than what can be found on the internet?
UmmiE
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
that's all you could muster? :( im disappointed. i know you're scared to pick a particular point of the debate and run with it. i would be too if i spewed as much nonsense as you. you see, i actually have a degree in this field, i studied terrorism at an honours level. asides from being a dirty paki and it being in your blood, where's your knowledge of terrorism spring from?
enjoy parading your ignorance and google-era research skills.
The fact that you have that degree in terrorism and your hatred with a certian group of people shows why your are so ignorant and one sided.....I think its a perfect example of :-
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
So what did they teach you at the Honours Level Terrorism course that's so much more authoritative than what can be found on the internet?
it taught me how to do honest research and how to weigh evidence appropriately, rather than believing anything and everything i read on some BS website. you know, like ummie's post regarding osama's denial of carrying out 911. perhaps if ummie understood the wider political climate and context of the (supposed) declaration from osama he wouldn't be regurgitating known fallacies as if HE'S an authority. FYI i dont consider myself even close to an authority, but i DO know more than clowns like him that wouldn't know their arsehole from a hole in the ground.
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Originally posted by UmmiE
The fact that you have that degree in terrorism and your hatred with a certian group of people shows why your are so ignorant and one sided.....I think its a perfect example of :-
i dont hate any certain groups (at least, not in the way that you think) im merely baiting you because your ignorance and pretend intellectualism pisses me off.
