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compressor on the master channel? (pg. 8)
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| palm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Send me a PM, and I'll describe it there. We can keep this thread uncluttered that way. :) |
telling secrets behind our backs on PM? no post it here. this thread is so random anyway. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
telling secrets behind our backs on PM? no post it here. this thread is so random anyway. |
Actually - start a new thread! It might help sine other peeps too... :) |
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| vikernes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Existo22
''That Guy'' Is Olav Basoski. He is a very good producer. Period. |
I'm sure he makes some nice tunes, but any "mainstream" producer who (judging from the video) hasn't got the slightest idea about what the loudness war is and probably has no idea how a limiter/compressor works, deserves to be publicly ridiculed.
I watched that , because I wanted to learn more about mixing specifically for EDM music, learn some new tricks etc... What this guy did is the opposite of everything I learned to that point and just left me confused and in need to find correct information.
This is how a video like this should be made: http://www.steinberg.net/en/product...ngtutorial.html
There's not a thing in audio this guy doesn't know inside out and everything is well explained. But it's not oriented towards dance producers. Watch this solely for what he says about the effects chain on the master bus. |
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| DJ RANN |
| Back on topic, there seems to be a lot of confusion about why to mix close to 0DB and it struck me most people on here probably don;t understand what "0db" actually is, so I'm going to start a thread.... |
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| Leahn |
| DEFINATELY NO specially if you plan to master your song. On the master channel you shouldn't have anyhing that alters the sound signal. You can have an osciloscope or any other frequency analyzer that shows you what frequencies are playing in the song or that helps you visualise the song better but nothing that affects the sound signal |
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| dannib |
| quote: | | On the master channel you shouldn't have anyhing that alters the sound signal |
There are no rules. You can have whatever you want on the master channel if you know exactly what you want to achieve. As i said before, read up on "mixing into a compressor". Follow the earlier links. It is a VERY widely used technique and your information is misleading. |
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| ONDRAY |
Adding compressor on the 2-bus is actually pretty common, the whole idea is to keep the mix glued together a little smoother. It's not meant to totally remove transients. The main reason it's used is also to get the sound out of a nice 2-bus compressor (api 2500, Fatso, Smart Research C2).Fast release, with just around -2db of reduction.
It really depends on the tune. If you've done a load of Sub-grouped compression, it's probably already pretty smoothed out.
But save the real meat and limiting for the mastering. |
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by vikernes
I'm sorry, but I will have to call bull on that guy. It's a personal preference to mix against a compressor I guess, not something you advise people to do through a "tutorial video". Half way into mixing he changed the threshold and the ratio (I think) on the compressor (on the master bus), because he didn't like the sound. No . That's the reason you don't put a compressor there at the mixing stage. So after he did that, the levels on the tracks got screwed up. No #2.
Again, I have no problem if some people do it that way, it's just that I've never heard someone do that before I saw him and I thought this is somewhat of a "standard" in EDM.
Also, I think that guy is clueless. At one point in the video he's talking about the loudness wars and then goes to say something like - and I0'm not ting you -> "I don't know why people want their mixes so loud. If a track isn't loud enough you just turn up the gain on the mixer, that's why it's there." I'm not kidding you, I even think this is the exact quote he says. After I heard that I just scrolled through the video quickly just to end it.
Also he had clipping on almost every track in his mix. He did say something like how he doesn't care about "looking" at music, rather hearing it. So he says if he doesn't hear the signal getting clipped he doesn't bother lowering the volume. Which I guess isn't such a bad idea since every trance track I checked clips at least 10 times through the track - and I'm talking the likes of Tiesto, Armin etc... But he had levels peaking at something like 2.7db on the master or something most of the time. Even if you don't hear it, that might cause problems later (at least) at the mastering stage.
So a followup; I also get some clipping on the master in my tracks - mostly only when the kick hits in - and I'm not talking 2.7db here. As I said, I checked a lot of tracks from professional DJs/producers and almost every track has clipping in it. So should I worry about this if I can't hear it or just leave it?
AFAIK there should never be clipping on individual tracks, but it's kinda OK on the master? That's what I heard... |
so what if channels clip? u have 32bit floating point internal processing bitdepth whats the problem? if your master clips but it sounds exactly like you want it to... lower the ing volume on the master. Duh?
Its ok on the master? No, clipping is NOT ok on the master.. lol thats where its absolutely not ok... U say u checked a lot of tracks from professional DJs/producers and almost every track has clipping in it? I assume u checked mp3 files for the most part? U are aware the soundwaves of a track will be altered when u convert it to mp3 etc, unless you really know how to do the conversion without chance of introducing inter-sample clipping? Thats probably why u saw clipping in so many tracks. Because u checked mp3 files. |
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| Storyteller |
| For god sakes. If it sounds right it is right even if your master clips a 100dB. Nobody cares as long as it sounds good. |
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
For god sakes. If it sounds right it is right even if your master clips a 100dB. Nobody cares as long as it sounds good. |
Agreed mate. More often than not, clipping does not sound good though. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
For god sakes. If it sounds right it is right even if your master clips a 100dB. Nobody cares as long as it sounds good. |
No track will sound good if the master is clipping at 100 dB. :p |
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