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Stimulus Bill (pg. 8)
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Like I said, it's funny to see everyone all up in arms and concerned about government spending all of a sudden.
Really funny... |
I was appalled by the bush administration's spending, and the way congress let him do it. Nor did i ever defend it. But it was a bit harder to track drawn over 8 years, and didnt all come on one day in one bill. So it recieved different attention and criticism, but dont think because there was not a TA thread regarding it that this is the first time I have been appalled by wreckless government spending. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
I was appalled by the bush administration's spending, and the way congress let him do it. Nor did i ever defend it. But it was a bit harder to track drawn over 8 years, and didnt all come on one day in one bill. So it recieved different attention and criticism, but dont think because there was not a TA thread regarding it that this is the first time I have been appalled by wreckless government spending. |
Has a lot less to do with TA threads and a lot more to do with the general attention given to it by the media and pundits across the board.
Point is, none of you were complaining about the exact same thing a few months ago, and if you did, it wasn't with half the amount of skepticism from the get go.
We've already wasted trillions of dollars over the last 8 years.
And this bill is not wasteful. |
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| starboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
All these posts, and sadly you have provided nothing to this thread outside of biased party bashing and mockery, absent of any comprehensive thinking or ideas. |
And you nothing more than a right wing chearleading anti-govt. copy & paste queen regurgitating garbage from the conservative blogesphere.
Look back at my posts. |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Has a lot less to do with TA threads and a lot more to do with the general attention given to it by the media and pundits across the board.
Point is, none of you were complaining about the exact same thing a few months ago |
partially because people were more concerned with the election, thus the media was too. But since you brought it up,
read my posts to a few of the bailout threads if you please. I was against all those shananagans, as well as the stupid $600 refund of last year.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ghlight=bailout
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ghlight=bailout
and ill just drop you somewhere in the middle of this thread and see if anybody was appalled by the bailout shanagans
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=&pagenumber=14 |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
And you nothing more than a right wing chearleading anti-govt. copy & paste queen.
Look back at my posts. |
i guess it doesnt hurt to add another to that list LOL:haha: :haha:
your black or white, right or left thinking prevents you from understanding, and moving forward with ideas and has forced you to conclude that I am somehow a Palin-Limbaugh fox news enthusiast. Well done |
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| starboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
i guess it doesnt hurt to add another to that list LOL:haha: :haha: |
I just dropped in to prove you wrong, but it looks as if everyone has already done that, and continues to do so :)
My ideas and ideology are illistrated in this recovery bill. No need for me to come in here and preach my world views. |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
I just dropped in to prove you wrong, but it looks as if everyone has already done that, and continues to do so :)
My ideas and ideology are illistrated in this recovery bill. No need for me to come in here and preach my world views. |
perhaps you should stick to threads where everybody that posts is in agreement with each other, it will better suit your intellegence capibilities. |
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| DJ RANN |
so not to be tarred with the same brush, I also don't believe a two party system can ever work - it leads to polarised politics and easy manipulation through leverage.
Where I come from, we have three legitimate parties which allows for opposite views as well as a median, or at least an alternative in most situations.
For example, the decision to invade of Iraq: both Labour and Conservative committed (for very political reasons and some relating to the relationship with the US) to the invasion, however the Liberal Democrats (don't worry, it doesn't have the same meaning as those words in the USA), went against the war. As the war became the unending mess that it is, votes went to the LibDems in the form of parlimentary seats and forced the other parties politicians to change their stance.
If there had not been a third major political party, the two parties would have just continued their unpopular position as there was no alternative.
The reason there is probably some Bush bashing when there is criticism of Obama is quite simple:
Bush, our most recent point of comparison for a president, caused 5 trillion dollars worth of EXTRA deficit in the 8 years during his tenure. Everyone seems to be up in arms about Obama using 700bn to sort out this mess - and bear in mind that when Bush wanted to push through a bill worth just as much, he got little resistance, and that had far less scrutiny or accountability.
Obama could have forced this bill through from the start, without trying to extend his hand or offer amendments, as bush did on so many occasions - why the double standard?
I'm not some blind Democrat or Obama fan - it's just that so far he's had a few short weeks to sort out a mess that's took 8 years+ to create, and you've got to give him a chance.
Lastly, do you realize that even with this stimulus bill, the debt is less than 8% of GDP - look at all the other countries in the world that have been effected by the downturn and you'll see their dept as GDP % are double and in some cases triple that figure (UK Debt as GDP = 47%!!!!). All the USA has to do is get started again and it will be in a better position than most others because of it's GDP potential, so don't sweat a trillion to get in back in place. |
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| starboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
perhaps you should stick to threads where everybody that posts is in agreement with each other, it will better suit your intellegence capibilities. |
Perhaps you should copy and paste "news" from credible and un-biased sources and not radical right wing blogs like you did on the first page of this thread. But that might be beyond your "intellegence capabilities"
http://www.reason.com/news/printer/131611.html |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
Perhaps you should copy and paste "news" from credible and un-biased sources and not radical right wing blogs like you did on the first page of this thread. But that might be beyond your "intellegence capabilities"
http://www.reason.com/news/printer/131611.html |
Damn. That was copied verbatim for the start of this thread, and that is a serious right wing neo-conservative blog. |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by starboy
Perhaps you should copy and paste "news" from credible and un-biased sources and not radical right wing blogs like you did on the first page of this thread. |
R!ch, clovis, and diskodave, through well written analytical posts have often driven me to reevaluate my position and ideas. However your negative posts illuminate the problems with a two party system and show that many process ideas in the form of black and white, right or left, republican or democrat, and are not capable of an educational debate.
I cut and pasted ONE article outlining billions of wasteful pork, so nice of you too crown me queen!
Additionally, I was not aware that the sources I read most for information such as the Wall Street Journal, NY Times, and LA times were seen as radical right wing blogs:conf: |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Damn. That was copied verbatim for the start of this thread, and that is a serious right wing neo-conservative blog. |
yes, the artilce was sent to my email by a friend, the link to the website was not. While the analytical portion of the article was not the important part, the outlined spending contained in the bill is undeniable. |
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