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Courts Rule: Vaccines do not cause Autism
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| NeoPhono |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...21201792&s_pos=
Not that this is something new to the sane community at large, and not that it will stop those desperately seeking a cause (and someone to blame) for their children's medical condition, but at least now there's something fairly significant on the books. |
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| Arbiter |
Definitely good news.
The vaccines-cause-autism crowd is really kind of sad. It's really a telling example of how bad we humans so often are at seriously considering the possibility that we are wrong... the weight of the scientific evidence is staggering, and yet these people continue to believe this nonsense conjured up by a fraud and a plagiarist. Of course, it doesn't help that there are tons of people out there who would like to make a tidy profit off of these poor folks' misdirected anger. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
Jenny McCarthy says you're wrong
And who could disagree with her.... :tongue2 |
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| Magnetonium |
Bull. The battle is far from over. As long as the autism is on the rise, it will never be over.
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"This is a real victory for children," said Philadelphia pediatrician and vaccine expert Paul Offit, in a statement issued by the vaccine advocacy group Every Child by Two. |
^^^ Thats just a ing retarded statement. How did the children win??? Did the vaccines cure their autism?
This world is retarded. Always was, always will be.
EDIT: Looks like the government hopes to put this autism problem in a pile of who-gives-a-.
But really:
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James Moody, a lawyer advising the plaintiffs and director of SafeMinds, a research and advocacy think tank that endorses a vaccine-autism link, predicted that the autism cases would be appealed and eventually wind up in civil court, where plaintiffs could make their cases to a jury and get access to government documents.
"The government does not fund the science to show a connection between vaccines and autism, and the courts say there isn't enough evidence to show a connection," Moody said. "When the vaccine court says you haven't met the standard of evidence, that is a call for more science, not that this controversy is at an end." |
^^^ Many people just dont understand how difficult it is for families that have a sibling affected by autism. Especially when it doesnt make sense how it came about "naturally". It is not natural. Government and medicine dont give a crap about us or people affected with autism. They are just covering their backs. They research vaccines and brag on using mercury-based preservatives, campaigning for mandatory vaccinations, but they dont research autism. Well, of course, why should they? Why should the bureaucratic instritution like government start caring and taking up the research of autism, to open up and do something for the benefit of people, society, environment? |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
^^^ Thats just a ing retarded statement. How did the children win??? Did the vaccines cure their autism? |
The "victory" is that hopefully this will mean more kids get vaccinated. The thought that 1 in 12 aren't being vaccinated and are being unnecessarily exposed to diseases that they don't need to get is a shame. The science has always been there showing that there is no link, but to a scared parent, anecdote and hearsay have continued to remain more powerful. Now there is another tangible reason to give parents as to why they should not worry about vaccinations.
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^^^ Many people just dont understand how difficult it is for families that have a sibling affected by autism. Especially when it doesnt make sense how it came about "naturally". It is not natural. Government and medicine dont give a crap about us or people affected with autism. They are just covering their backs. They research vaccines and brag on using mercury-based preservatives, campaigning for mandatory vaccinations, but they dont research autism. Well, of course, why should they? Why should the bureaucratic instritution like government start caring and taking up the research of autism, to open up and do something for the benefit of people, society, environment? |
That is absolute and complete bull. Do a quick pubmed search on "Autism" or "Autistic spectrum disorder" and tell me there's no research going on besides that to "cover their ass." People in the medical/scientific community have kids with autism, just like those outside of it do. Every young medical student is taught about autism and how devastating it can be on a family. That is not the point of this ruling. The point of this ruling is that those using vaccines as an "excuse" or as something to blame for their kid's condition is not based in fact and is harmful in that it has left many kids unvaccinated.
The search for the cause of autism will continue, but there is none, not a shred, of scientific evidence saying that it is from vaccines. Continuing to not vaccinate kids because their parents are scared about something they don't need to be scared about has been a problem that will continue, but hopefully begin to subside. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Despite this, 'official' ruling there are natural alternatives to government vaccines which don't necessarily protect people properly anyways.
It's a crystal-ball concoction souped up to try and protect us from future sickness.
Problem is, at least here in Canada, they've always managed to miss the mark at least recently in the last couple of years.
I'm not saying vaccines aren't right in principal but I'm going to suggest at least protect yourself with a good natural alternative if not for the sake of others around you. :) |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Despite this, 'official' ruling there are natural alternatives to government vaccines which don't necessarily protect people properly anyways.
It's a crystal-ball concoction souped up to try and protect us from future sickness.
Problem is, at least here in Canada, they've always managed to miss the mark at least recently in the last couple of years.
I'm not saying vaccines aren't right in principal but I'm going to suggest at least protect yourself with a good natural alternative if not for the sake of others around you. :) |
"Natural" alternative? What, just get the disease and build your immunity that way? That's the only "natural" alternative to vaccination I can think of that would give you immunity...or do you have some leafy green vegetable/obscure Asian berry diet that makes you immune to disease? |
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| Lira |
People actually believe vaccines cause autism!?
I can't even imagine how hard it must be to have an autist child (I know one, and his mother has not fully recovered from the news), but this is just insane. These people would rather leave their children vulnerable to measles because of an unproven risk that it may cause autism!? And people are actually paying attention to politicians and celebrities?
Wow. Just, wow. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
The "victory" is that hopefully this will mean more kids get vaccinated. The thought that 1 in 12 aren't being vaccinated and are being unnecessarily exposed to diseases that they don't need to get is a shame. |
Additionally, children who have health conditions that make them ineligible for vaccination and rely on herd immunity are rather gravely threatened by this anti-vaccine crusade. Children in day care settings who aren't yet old enough to be vaccinated are also unnecessarily endangered by the presence of older children who are unvaccinated because of their parents' misguided fears.
A better victory in court--and one I hope to see--would be one holding the parents of an unvaccinated carrier child liable for injuries to other children caused by their negligent choice not to vaccinate. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Indeed not. As you pointed out to Magnetonium, the peer-reviewed evidence simply didn't support the link at all, and now we have a legal ruling on the matter.
Here's another interesting piece to add on:
| quote: | MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism
Brian Deer
THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found.
Confidential medical documents and interviews with witnesses have established that Andrew Wakefield manipulated patients’ data, which triggered fears that the MMR triple vaccine to protect against measles, mumps and rubella was linked to the condition.
The research was published in February 1998 in an article in The Lancet medical journal. It claimed that the families of eight out of 12 children attending a routine clinic at the hospital had blamed MMR for their autism, and said that problems came on within days of the jab. The team also claimed to have discovered a new inflammatory bowel disease underlying the children’s conditions.
However, our investigation, confirmed by evidence presented to the General Medical Council (GMC), reveals that: In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records. Although the research paper claimed that problems came on within days of the jab, in only one case did medical records suggest this was true, and in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated. Hospital pathologists, looking for inflammatory bowel disease, reported in the majority of cases that the gut was normal. This was then reviewed and the Lancet paper showed them as abnormal.
Despite involving just a dozen children, the 1998 paper’s impact was extraordinary. After its publication, rates of inoculation fell from 92% to below 80%. Populations acquire “herd immunity” from measles when more than 95% of people have been vaccinated.
Last week official figures showed that 1,348 confirmed cases of measles in England and Wales were reported last year, compared with 56 in 1998. Two children have died of the disease.
With two professors, John Walker-Smith and Simon Murch, Wakefield is defending himself against allegations of serious professional misconduct brought by the GMC. The charges relate to ethical aspects of the project, not its findings. All three men deny any misconduct.
Through his lawyers, Wakefield this weekend denied the issues raised by our investigation, but declined to comment further.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/li...icle5683671.ece |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| another day, another crazy conspiracy theory put to bed. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
another day, another crazy conspiracy theory put to bed. |
If only a government ruling from three independent sources backed by solid scientific evidence could do such a thing...
...unfortunately we all know this will continue. |
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