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Can soft synths ever sound as good as hardware? Post your opinion. (pg. 10)
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It's not about what the producers are using. It's just as easy to make a ty, boring, talentless track with hardware synths.
The drop in quality has happened because the quality filters for a release are so much lower because labels don't have to press a track to vinyl to put it out anymore. Vinyl is an investment. A digital release really isn't. Labels know that and treat digital releases accordingly by lowering their standards. Or in many cases producers who get rejected by a bunch of labels simply start their own digital labels and release stuff that never would have seen the light of day ten years ago, which is why we have mountains and mountains of crap on the market today.
This is never going to change now, so people need to quit complaining about it... |
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| quote: | | Geezzzz apart from some exceptions most ITB crap sounds thin harsch, clipped summed and dither wrongly...... If that sound is in fashion then heehoo that's the way to go, but it still sounds like crap. |
what an incredible generalisation, you must be trolling |
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| Raphie |
that's why EXCEPTIONS was in bold. :o
Nothing wrong with VSTi's in their own right. but there are 2 big misconceptions:
1. VSTi's who emulate hardware come close.......
2. mixing ITB is easy.......
i have to laugh when people say I've used that MOOG in my bassline... What MOOG? that preset121 in Pro53.... :haha: :haha:
Though I've can get some very nice unique sounds out of Vstation and NEXUS is perfect for bread and butter instant Trance. However the filter and ADSR from a Minimoog is TOTALLY different than the filter section on NEXUS, Artuaria or Pro53
It's not trolling, it's experience. and I really don't understand how people who've never played beyond a few VSTi's can give an educated opinion while never have touched a piece of hardware, don't believe the marketing hype, use your own ears and listen....
That would be the same as 14 year olds without a driverslicense debating that a Porsche drives better than a Ferrari or the other way around.... Experience first than conclude...
At the end of the day, whether you are using Magix Music Maker, Band in a Box, FLStudio, Cubase, Logic Ableton, and you are happy with your results then it's ok. THAT's what it's all about.
If your not happy than you may ask yourself do I suck? or can't my software bring me what I want.
If it's the first, don't even bother buying anything else
if it's the latter, go listen en buy what suits you.
Not because you HAVE to, but because you want to.
But as said before clever programming and proper mixing can bring you a long way with software alone. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| It would be interesting to get ten tracks made with hardware alone, ten made with software alone, and put them in a random order and see if the "software sucks" folks could pick out the ones made with soft synths. |
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| Raphie |
On avg. tracks I would pick them out instantly, not because they are better or worse, but because they sound different (if you would also track and compress outboard and ONLY do AD AFTER the stereosum.
In a mixture it would get a lot more hard and the difference would even get smaller when it's a high quality production. |
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| Subtle |
This thread is just bull.
Its all in the skill of the producer!
Does hardware sound better than software in the very most cases? YES it does.
But that is totally irrelevant, the idea of the track, and how the sounds go together is what counts, in all cases. |
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| Theran |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
This thread is just bull.
Its all in the skill of the producer!
Does hardware sound better than software in the very most cases? YES it does.
But that is totally irrelevant, the idea of the track, and how the sounds go together is what counts, in all cases. |
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| Numb |
This thread is now about Jesus.
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| adi_hanson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
But as said before clever programming and proper mixing can bring you a long way with software alone. |
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| Raphie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
This thread is just bull.
Its all in the skill of the producer!
Does hardware sound better than software in the very most cases? YES it does.
But that is totally irrelevant, the idea of the track, and how the sounds go together is what counts, in all cases. |
Correct, but quality of sources and quality of production are 2 different topics. you cannot polish a turd.... we're talking source quality here, not production quality...... |
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| 4everX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
This thread is just bull.
Its all in the skill of the producer!
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+1:happy2: |
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| palm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stef
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idk why i initially took this thread seriously. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
Correct, but quality of sources and quality of production are 2 different topics. you cannot polish a turd.... we're talking source quality here, not production quality...... |
Yeah, but this is all software people vs. hardware people.
Everyone who uses software says that is equally good or better, and all who uses hardware says that is the best.
A biased discussion like this leads nowhere.
I use both hardware and software and i can get equally good results on both.
But still, my Phatty is pretty much useless for a Trance type of bassline, but when i use it for a track that has a single note bassline preferably with longer notes, it sounds just awesome.
I dont think anyone here claims that any emulation is just as good, the emulations (Moog, Pro, Discovery etc.) are a joke compared to the real product. But for the price difference its a great deal, and thats what music magazines and reviewers see.
And we shouldnt ignore the romplers that sample all these hardware synths in software.
The bottom line is that Software can sound equally good, it just requires more tweaking.
I love hardware synths, and i hope to get many many of them in the future, they sound good, they are inspirational, good looking and generally awesome fun to play with.
The big downside is that they dont have total recall so its more hassle to actually change the sound you are using.
And that makes romplers the big winners, although they are little fun to play with. |
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