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Music That Makes You Dumb? (pg. 5)
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| winston |
no robert henke, mogwai, autechre, BoC, aphex?
what about steve reich, brian eno, kraftwerk, tangerine dream?
Bibio. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Most people in the U.S. call practically anything with a big four to the floor kick drum or a prominent synth "techno," unless there's a rapper in it. |
True, but are people really that oblivious to the more "underground" EDM most of us listen to? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Ermm yes, although that would make her a fairy and what is more new-age than a fairy?:wtf: |
:p |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by woscar
Results are odd, and are obviously biased |
There's not really any way this could be biased given how he did the chart. You guys should probably read how he did this. He went to Facebook and compared the top "favorite music" listings for each school with the average SAT score ranges of accepted students.
The reason why "techno" is on the chart as just a broad category is because that is what people are putting in their Facebook profiles. That also explains why "classical" and "Beethoven" show up separately on the chart. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by winston
no robert henke, mogwai, autechre, BoC, aphex?
what about steve reich, brian eno, kraftwerk, tangerine dream?
Bibio. |
SAT is not enough to measure the intelligence of the fans of those artists! You need a proper intelligence test like WAIS-IV or something
Its IDM afterall |
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| winston |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
True, but are people really that oblivious to the more "underground" EDM most of us listen to? |
i'm sick of radiohead
the shins? any fool with a pitchfork under his arm can come up with that band. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
True, but are people really that oblivious to the more "underground" EDM most of us listen to? |
Dude, people don't know who Armin Van Buuren is wtf lol |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Dude, people don't know who Armin Van Buuren is wtf lol |
Blasphemy.
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| winston |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
the kind of 'intelligence' which a standardized test measures and the kind of 'intelligence' (in its most basic sense of understanding as the word literally implies) which is associated with music and other things that stir the spirit are not nearly the same thing. |
in today's world it has been labeled as "E.Q". some labels are dumb. |
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| PETRAN |
On a serious note, maybe a higher IQ is a pre-requisite for some more "Elaborate" forms of music, that is, music that has a lot of changes etc. (i discussed about the "complexity" of music with nefardec and Noisician in a previous MD thread that i can't remember now :p ).
People who score high on IQ tests have usually very efficient cognitive abilities, that is, they would usually have a higher-than-normal working memory span, higher verbal and visuao-spatial processing etc.
Now, different forms of music would impose different demands on the cognitive system and it is logical to assume that more complicated music (as in music which is high on alterations/variation rather than number of instruments playing at the same time-although the number of instruments could also contribute to the demand a little) would require a higher-than-normal cognitive processing (since the complexity of auditory sequence would create a high cognitive load), with the amount of load directly related to the variation of the auditory/musical sequence. As a result, it could be true, that in order for one to listen to Beethoven (music which can get very varied/complex) one would need a more efficient cognitive system. As a result, these individuals would also tend to score highly in IQ tests.
Now this doesn't mean that higher intelligence means "i like classical" but that a person with high IQ scores would have "The mental basis" to enjoy those more elaborate forms of music. If they ever dig it in the first place...
Because i think that, for whatever-reason, the primary factor in enjoying/desliking everything is emotional experience. Now emotion and cognition are not independent of each other (emotions=sensations+cognitions, Singer and Schacter 2-factor theory of emotions etc.) but the type of cognitive processing used in forming the emotional experience is different and more simple than the one used in IQ tests. People feel emotions because they "interpret" the environmental stimuli (such as music) in all sorts of ways. And if DJ Sammy happens to be "interpreted" in a pleasurable way by a rocket-scientist so be it...and it can happen. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The reason I don't think that complex music necessarily requires more intelligence to appreciate is that you can like even very complex music for very simple and pedestrian reasons, e.g. "classical music relaxes me" or something like that. |
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| Noisician |
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