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F22s Dropping Like Flies (pg. 3)
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| Zild |
| When you say good results are you talking about forward bases in the middle east/asia to gear up for a confrontation with russia and/or china? |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
When you say good results are you talking about forward bases in the middle east/asia to gear up for a confrontation with russia and/or china? |
Well thats always a plus to any power, but I meant there could have been justice served to more of the organizations that attacked the US if Pakistan had been dealt with differently.
The Taliban was also pretty awful from anyones perspective as well. If they had been chased across the border and dealt wtih accordingly there would be a much more stable situation in Afganistan right now. I am not saying it would be wonderful, but at least a lot of the militant elements leading resistence movements would be weaker or non-existant. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Iraq is useless, Afganistan not so much.
Too bad we (as in NATO, which shouldnt be the force there in teh first place) ed it so we wont get anything out of it now.
Afganistan and Pakistan could have yielded good results if it had been handled right. |
Name one foreign occupier which was able to subdue Afghanistan since the 19th century. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Name one foreign occupier which was able to subdue Afghanistan since the 19th century. |
None, and thats part of the issue. If we had been able to cross the border into Pakistan and pursue the remnants of al Queda and the Taliban leadership it would be much easier for a more western inclined Afghani government to stand.
We werent able to so we now end up being an occupying force because what we created is so unstable that if it collapses it will be worse off than when we started. It will be the same as 1989 when the Soviets pulled out. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
None, and thats part of the issue. If we had been able to cross the border into Pakistan and pursue the remnants of al Queda and the Taliban leadership it would be much easier for a more western inclined Afghani government to stand.
We werent able to so we now end up being an occupying force because what we created is so unstable that if it collapses it will be worse off than when we started. It will be the same as 1989 when the Soviets pulled out. |
Entry into Pakistan would not have quelled anything. If anything, it would have created the conditions for a 1980's style mujahaddin in the region. Oh wait...:wtf: |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Entry into Pakistan would not have quelled anything. If anything, it would have created the conditions for a 1980's style mujahaddin in the region. Oh wait...:wtf: |
I might have been advocating less than desirable fighting styles... :p
Damn media making people aware that war is hell... :mad:
Anyway, the F-22 wouldn't help eitherway. If the Taliban or al Queda are wielding system that are able to intercept them then we'd have a whole hell of a lot of other things to worry about. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I might have been advocating less than desirable fighting styles... :p
Damn media making people aware that war is hell... :mad:
Anyway, the F-22 wouldn't help eitherway. If the Taliban or al Queda are wielding system that are able to intercept them then we'd have a whole hell of a lot of other things to worry about. |
The thing is, you don't need a multi-billion dollar military to fight the world's most sophisticated fighting force in the world. Sun Tzu could testify to that. |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Fighting China is such a remote possibility that you have to hedge your bets, especially when engaged on two different fronts already.
The F-35 could take anything that China has right now, but it would be a war of attrition in the skies just due to the fact that the Chinese have a large air force.
Throw 3 old Mig-19 equiv. Chinese built fighters at one F-22 and you have a fairly even fight if the Chinese can get the drop on them. If not, throw 6 at them. China would also be fighting from a defensive homeland posture which is always more dangerous, especially if that is their only front.
The USAF needs to keep its priorities right now on the manned heavy bomber and using that as a missile truck, like the B-52 and B-1B and maintaining its strategic defense systems (which is basically just Minuteman right now).
The US Navy needs to make sure the Super Hornet is able to keep flying through 2020, even better 2025 and that it can keep a strategic posture with its submarine nuclear forces.
If you can corral the big guys with your nukes using deterrence then you can leave the to the rest of the branches and not worry.
I am not saying that China or Russia will never be a threat, but right now they are not, wont be any time soon, and spending money on countering them right now doesn't make sense. |
f35 vs j10...
mmmmmm
i think j10 wins, but i am no expert. It is the most agile jet in the world though. |
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| Krypton |
| The latest fighter jets can engage more than a dozen targets at once. 3 old Chinese fighters still could be knocked out simultaneously before even getting a visual on the F22. |
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| nchs09 |
| j10 is not that old:conf: |
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| winston |
| I really applaud the integrated electronic warfare system (INEWS) installed in these fifth generation jet fighters |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| J-10 is not that old and is the first domestic Chinese attack fighter. Of course its built off of a design that the Americans developed for Israel. But Israel did not want and then sold the plans to China and helped with the flight/nav/weapons systems... :wtf: |
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