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Compression on the kick and the bass
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| beamrider |
Hi I'm actually using Vengeance samples for my kicks and adding compression to them (using fabfilter pro-C vst) I have read an interview to Manuel Scheils and he suggest not to process the sounds from Vengeance sample packs.
what would you recommend? in case of compression could anyone tell a standard setting to start from?
now for basses I work with Nexus, V-station and some basses created by me on subtractor (Reason) I'm not applyng any kind of compression to them (well sometimes sidechaining for ducking effects) I always use at least 3 basses sounds, (Sub, main and one more sharper) what would you recommend about compression? compress all of them? use the same settings to all of them? I will apreciate a standard setting for bass compression to start from.
I've attached a sample of my sound
thanks and regards! |
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| Zombie0729 |
have to use your ears man, go to your favorite records and compare the differences.
the vengeance stuff is already compressed although some people tie the kicK & bass together so they are tighter but i don't really think its necessary, just get your levels right. |
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| Subtle |
If you dont know why you should add compression, then dont do it.
I find compression overrated, and not necessary at all for a good bass and kick combo. |
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| msz |
| i sometimes use compression for kicks and basses, but i like to mix with compressors, there are people that dont even use compressors. Just compare your sound to some professional mixes, try to reach it. keep practicing, and try new things. |
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| Theran |
I'm always compressing my kicks, even the vengeance one. Subtle compression can make the kick a lot tighter. Don't set your attack to high because you will loose all your lower frequencies doing so.
If I use compression on the bass depends on the kind of effect that I would like to get! |
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| Subtle |
| Also a cool thing you can do, is to use a waveform analyzer/displayer or whatever it is called, then you can see how the compression affects the waveform and transients. |
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| dannib |
if you have to ask questions regarding compression settings and when to use it then you dont understand what it is and its uses. Read up on compression or experiment with it.
One thing is a fact. There are no standard compression settings. It will completely depend on the material and what you want to achieve. |
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| derail |
I use mainly Vengeance kicks in my trance songs. I don't do anything to them, they go straight through to the master channel. Sometimes some very minor EQ adjustments (+ or -2dB at most). The main bass sound usually has sidechain compression on it.
As for sidechaining/compressing other basses - what do you want those sounds to sound like? You'll answer your own question by trying things out. My feeling is, sometimes you'll sidechain/compress these sounds, sometimes not. Whether you do or not is totally up to you and the particular song/ sound. |
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| Eric J |
| I always have a great deal of success pushing Vengeance kicks through UAD Neve 88RS. The 88RS is versatile enough to totally change the character of the kicks. |
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| cronodevir |
Someone should write a guide or something about compression/sidechaining and other effects, people seem to think they are the norm or "required" for EDM, when in truth any 'good' [good != professional] producer likely rarely uses them. And this is even more so for people who don't even know what these tricks are used for.
And every time a question is asked, people can link to that guide. |
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| Kismet7 |
| Vengeance has some good samples...but their kick samples are their weakest, i'd avoid the kicks. Their synths shots and percs are decent though. |
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