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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mezzir
Okay I see what you're arguing.
Here's the deal: your argument is almost correct, but one of the assumptions you're relying on is what I disagree with. Old analogue equipment has a definite sound to it, and I can hear it in this track, no argument there. However, it is quite a jump to say that the analogue sound is objectively better, in all respects, than a digital sound. You may prefer it, no one can question that, but there's no way of substantiating a claim that analogue objectively sounds better, and thats where your argument falls short. So you can go and say I prefer the sound of old analogue equipment, but to state that as a fact, not an opinion, is a falsehood. |
Im glad you understand my argument at least, but analogue is indeed objectively sonically better than digital. Just compare Vinyl Records to MP3 versions, and the argument should end there. Or compare 10 similar tracks made with Analogue equipment to 10 tracks made with only software, and 9 times out of 10 you will pick the Analogue sound in a blind test. I think there is an objective difference, I mean even low kbps music on Youtube that was made with Analogue equipment sounds better than a 320KBPS purely software made track you can get off beatport. Majority of the tracks I hear off Beatport dont do anything for me, because they were likely made only on software, which is why we have this problem with the increase of ty music that buries the good music out there. Software is a means to an end, but not the best. To furthur elaborate on my argument, good music, actually.... brilliant music can be COMPOSED or written through software, by you or anyone here, but that brilliant SOUND that you hear in old records still cannot be achieved purely through software. And this why I'd like to see people getting more into hardware, EDM music would improve greatly because of it. |
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| echosystm |
| You do realise almost all of the most popular trance songs weren't made on analog synths, right? |
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| hadi burpee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Im glad you understand my argument at least, but analogue is indeed objectively sonically better than digital. Just compare Vinyl Records to MP3 versions, and the argument should end there. Or compare 10 similar tracks made with Analogue equipment to 10 tracks made with only software, and 9 times out of 10 you will pick the Analogue sound in a blind test. I think there is an objective difference, I mean even low kbps music on Youtube that was made with Analogue equipment sounds better than a 320KBPS purely software made track you can get off beatport. Majority of the tracks I hear off Beatport dont do anything for me, because they were likely made only on software, which is why we have this problem with the increase of ty music that buries the good music out there. Software is a means to an end, but not the best. To furthur elaborate on my argument, good music, actually.... brilliant music can be COMPOSED or written through software, by you or anyone here, but that brilliant SOUND that you hear in old records still cannot be achieved purely through software. And this why I'd like to see people getting more into hardware, EDM music would improve greatly because of it. |
but sounding "better" is subjective. Wouldn't digital sound better because it is more exact and precise? depends on what you like, anyways, i guess a lot of people think it sounds cold because it is too exact, missing that "human" feel, like sequenced drums, but whatever, dude its up to the listener. sometimes, i like the soft sound of fruity loops (its almost innocent, weird haha), just for listening though. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
You do realise almost all of the most popular trance songs weren't made on analog synths, right? |
Like which ones? And even if they were'nt, that doesn't mean there wasn't an analogue compressor or reverb processing the sound, or a analogue console summing the mix. The thing about TRANCE music, it is a form of EDM that software does have a fighting chance because of how busy the music is, it is a bit of a mirage, there is so much going on that the sum of the parts becomes more important than individual great sounds. Still the best sounding Trance 90s and early 2000s, likely was heavily made with Analogue equipment, the DROP in quality has occured in the past few years because of the rise in software use to make music. A lot of people on TA hate trance music these days, I wonda wonda wonda why? Because its easy to make trance with software and sell it because of how busy the music is, hiding the individual sounds weaknesses, but that emotional and mind impact is still lost in translation, dropping the quality of the music. |
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| hadi burpee |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
You do realise a lot (majority?) of the most popular trance classics weren't made on analog synths, right? |
really? classics from what time period? before 2000 didnt most producers use analog? computers in those days didnt have the capacity or power to emulate and synthize like analog. i mean i guess its still not perfect but its a lot better today. |
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| Kismet7 |
Are you serious? What makes you think these were made entirely in software? If you want to change the argument to "he used a VST for some sounds" then you have a small argument, but that doesn't negate anything i've said as far as analogue processing. Ask Rank 1 "did you make that entirely in software? or did you do some analogue processing on the sounds?" I can safely speculate not a single one of those tracks were made entirely on Fruity Loops/Software Processing and then sent to mastering without any VA/analogue processing. |
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| Kismet7 |
| By the way, this topic deserves its own thread, if someone wants to talk in a seperate thread about this, make it, otherwise im done with it here. And much of what I say is unpopular and politically incorrect on good ole TA, but as long as even one person has an epiphany someday and realises what im saying will be beneficial to their future, even though they disagree today, that is all that matters. :D |
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| hadi burpee |
| haha, i thought you meant real classics. ;) and how do you know if they were done completely without hardware? |
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| msz |
| he was outside the studio window on a tree with binoculars |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by hadi ******
how do you know if they were done completely without hardware? |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Are you serious? What makes you think these were made entirely in software? |
At what point did I say anything about them being made in software?
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
You do realise almost all of the most popular trance songs weren't made on analog synths, right? |
Please tell me you guys aren't so retarded you don't know the difference between a digital synth and an analog synth... Oh wait, I remember that Kimset7 quote "analog synths and VSTs might be doing the same math, but they aren't running through the same veins".
My bad. No point in discussing this any further, you guys won't understand anything. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
The thing about TRANCE music, it is a form of EDM that software does have a fighting chance because of how busy the music is, it is a bit of a mirage, there is so much going on that the sum of the parts becomes more important than individual great sounds. |
This sounds crazy to me. What other genres favor individual elements over the entire song as a mix? |
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