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Liverpool - Chelsea-----tonight (pg. 10)
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| Dervish |
Was yeah, but glad we did ok against them. Went out and got hammered by them away though. Such is life. :p
Is Walker getting a game for yous? |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Arf, maybe you should re-read. I'm laughing at the plastic Chelsea and 'Pool fans and you're the one coming in with "ridiculous, deluded, bull" comments when your "pride" gets stung. So laugh it up, mate. You got a lot more pissed off than I did. |
And you're accusing me of being a "plastic" fan of Chelsea's when that's probably the furthest thing from the reality. I'm not pissed off and my "pride" hasn't been hurt. I just called you out on the ignorance of your comment making english soccer out to be the most elite "local or gtfo" in the world and subsequently laughed at your ability to judge me because I'm a close following fan of two teams that have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| Anyone that thinks you need to reside in a country in order to follow a respective sporting team is an idiotic nationalistic cretin. |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
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When you get old enough (youngin :p), you should come across the river to NYC to Nevada Smiths to watch a game. It's the closest thing you'll come to watching a game at a European bar in the US |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
When you get old enough (youngin :p), you should come across the river to NYC to Nevada Smiths to watch a game. It's the closest thing you'll come to watching a game at a European bar in the US |
No doubt, I'm there. :) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Is Walker getting a game for yous? |
He's had a couple but only as a defensive midfielder. He's still a bit raw to be thrown into a relegation battle every weekend.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Anyone that thinks you need to reside in a country in order to follow a respective sporting team is an idiotic nationalistic cretin. |
I don't think anyone needs to do anything. I've already said I follow teams from other countries. I posted my amusement at people from thousands of miles away saying "we" and talking about pride as if they sit in the Shed End or the Kop every Saturday at 3pm. The notion of Brazilians acting like they're from West London is one I find ludicrous.
Football may be a global sport now but that doesn't mean it isn't intrinsically linked to culture, especially in this country where it's been played for hundreds and even thousands of years. Football is as much a part of culture here as anything else- and when I watch American coverage of English football I realise how much gets lost in translation, and I know the inverse is also true. You can admire and follow foreign football, as I do, but to pretend you're part of another sporting culture is false. It's plastic. That's not nationalistic, because I'm a million miles away from being a nationalist. Football is way more than what happens on a pitch. |
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| wotyzoid |
| Haha when did I ever pretend to be from West London. You have to understand english soccer much bigger than your little idealistic culturally elite perception of it. I'm sorry to disappoint you but you're not better than anyone else because you follow english soccer up close. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't think anyone needs to do anything. I've already said I follow teams from other countries. I posted my amusement at people from thousands of miles away saying "we" and talking about pride as if they sit in the Shed End or the Kop every Saturday at 3pm.
Football may be a global sport now but that doesn't mean it isn't intrinsically linked to culture, especially in this country where it's been played for hundreds and even thousands of years. Football is as much a part of culture here as anything else- and when I watch American coverage of English football I realise how much gets lost in translation, and I know the inverse is also true. You can admire and follow foreign football, as I do, but to pretend you're part of another sporting culture is false. It's plastic. That's not nationalistic, because I'm a million miles away from being a nationalist. Football is way more than what happens on a pitch. |
its way way harder to get out of bed at 4.30am to watch MY team than it is for a local red to wander down to anfield on game day ;) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Haha when did I ever pretend to be from West London. You have to understand english soccer much bigger than your little idealistic culturally elite perception of it. I'm sorry to disappoint you but you're not better than anyone else because you follow english soccer up close. |
My, what big words you misuse.
1. I didn't claim you "pretend" anything. "We" is a self-inclusive pronoun carrying with it a deixic connotation of shared centrality between subjects- you, the club, other fans. I'm not claiming deception, merely delusion.
2. "English soccer" is a product. Pure and simple. The only reason you know who Chelsea are is because the TV rights of the Premiership are sold all around the world. That's why the league is so rich, the teams so successful. It's why you're watching Liverpool - Chelsea in Europe at all. Do you have the slightest ing clue about the English football league outside the Top 20 teams? Without running to Wikipedia, can you tell me which is higher- the Conference, the Championship or League One? Do you know how many teams constitute the league and how it breaks down? "English soccer" is not the twenty teams that get sold all over the world. This country has three times as many football clubs as any other nation on Earth.
3. I'm not the slightest bit interested in appearing "better" than you. I stated my amusement at people acting as if they're included in a culture utterly foreign to them, a culture they've never participated in beyond watching TV. That's it. You found my amusement the "most ignorant comment ever" (even though you apparently weren't pissed off or stung at all) and I've had to justify myself.
4. I'm not being elitist, or idealistic. I'm being practical. If I were being idealistic I wouldn't be so cynical about football as a product. The fact is that someone who has never lived within 4,000 miles of a club and has never even visited the same country is in no way part of that culture and is an outsider by geographical default. You can watch as much TV as you want but that doesn't change.
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
its way way harder to get out of bed at 4.30am to watch MY team than it is for a local red to wander down to anfield on game day ;) |
It might be harder, if you've never programmed a recorder before, but it's certainly cheaper than paying for a season ticket. Although how hard it is isn't really important. It's harder to follow any foreign sport than domestic sport. |
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| elFreak |
you lost me after the part about British and "culture".
oi oi oi oi oi ! |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
you lost me after the part about British and "culture".
oi oi oi oi oi ! |
You know you're trolling when you're Canadian and you're belittling someone else's culture. Have you guys decided yet whether your greatest cultural export is Nickelback or Due South? Tough decision, I know. |
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| elFreak |
| damn i thought i was going to get an essay:( |
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