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People Steal From Artists, Artists Steal From Programmers (pg. 8)
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Programmers actually benefit from people "stealing", because those people actually end up marketing to people who buy the software. So if 10 People steal, they are getting 2 or 3 people to actually buy the software because the people who steal are recommending the software to others. Its called viral marketing. Also, the people who are stealing now because they have no money, when they do have money and a career, there is a good chance they will actually buy the software, even though in the past they had "borrowed" it.
Another benefit is, because this software really does not have much advertising space, so this viral marketing is very beneficial to the programmers in the long run. So at the end of the day, programmers who are actually making great software are getting enough people to buy the software because of the "stealing" to offset much of the stealing. It is actually impossible to build a successful VST product without a cracked version out there.
So when you have money and have a legit music making career, there is a good chance you will follow a more ethical route like buying all your software, that is what I would do without a doubt. |
^this guy nailed it. ;) |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
So you are saying humanity only knows about works made before copyright, because someone copyrighted them when copyright came into existence. ... |
no
guess what year recordings were possible? Now guess how people kept music from the past from disapeering. Now guess who paid for music to be published ? And do you think it was because they were swell people ? Maybe there was money to be made. And maybe that was possible because copyright did exist back then.
was there a specific composer you were concerned about ? |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
^this guy nailed it. ;) |
you might want to get that checked out. |
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| cronodevir |
| Alot of classical was passed down because people knew how to play them sure there are recordings for today, but that isn't how the music is passed down. |
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| Lolo |
To sum it up, here's a short list of what I'm still using. It's all legit, box or download, I paid for it:
Logic Studio 479 Euros
Ableton Live 1 upgraded successively to 8 with optional instruments: 2000 Euros.
Propellerhead Reason 3 upgraded to 4: 450 Euros
Spectrasonics Omnisphere: 379 Euros
Celemony Melodyne Studio up-to-date: 500 Euros
NI Reaktor 400 Euros
NI Massive 300 Euros
CA 5000 upgraded to alchemy 300 Euros
DB Quantum FX updated 300 Euros
Fxpansion BFD: 250 Euros
Korg Legacy Digital: 150 Euros
Sugar Bytes Effectrix: 100 Euros
Izotope iDrum: 60 Euros
What I'm using NOW already cost me more than 5k. I'm not complaining here, I'm not frustrated. I'm just try to guess why people use so much illegal software. Well, you've got a part of the answer.
What I don't understand is that we let some, if not many, of those people release records. Everyone is complaining that there's too much music being released, and too much "crap". Why don't labels and developers sit on a table and start a guild?? This is a good way for record companies to filter the crap people out. Meanwhile it's probably the best solution for software developers to get a proper and accurate list of what artists effectively use, as long as those want to accept new rules. They'd even attract more people and have more legit users by offering rebates through that guild.
Another thing: let's come back to those 5k in software. If they changed their rules a little, they'd easily be able to offer license renting with monthly payments. IF they were a little smarter, they'd add some advertising banner in the monthly software updates to make prices lighter. Imagine yourself renting a license of Ableton Live or Logic for a month or two, just when you want to try it out or when you need it, for less than a parking ticket?? I do.
Those small things don't cost much time or money, yet they'd make a big part of TWO separate industries happy.
I sent those ideas to developers, only 2 of them replied: Propellerhead, and Image Line. The others didn't even bother.
Our industries are similar in the way that a lot of crap is polluting them, that's my conclusion. :-D |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
To sum it up, here's a short list of what I'm still using. It's all legit, box or download, I paid for it:
Logic Studio 479 Euros
Ableton Live 1 upgraded successively to 8 with optional instruments: 2000 Euros.
Propellerhead Reason 3 upgraded to 4: 450 Euros
Spectrasonics Omnisphere: 379 Euros
Celemony Melodyne Studio up-to-date: 500 Euros
NI Reaktor 400 Euros
NI Massive 300 Euros
CA 5000 upgraded to alchemy 300 Euros
DB Quantum FX updated 300 Euros
Fxpansion BFD: 250 Euros
Korg Legacy Digital: 150 Euros
Sugar Bytes Effectrix: 100 Euros
Izotope iDrum: 60 Euros
What I'm using NOW already cost me more than 5k. I'm not complaining here, I'm not frustrated. I'm just try to guess why people use so much illegal software. Well, you've got a part of the answer.
What I don't understand is that we let some, if not many, of those people release records. Everyone is complaining that there's too much music being released, and too much "crap". Why don't labels and developers sit on a table and start a guild?? This is a good way for record companies to filter the crap people out. Meanwhile it's probably the best solution for software developers to get a proper and accurate list of what artists effectively use, as long as those want to accept new rules. They'd even attract more people and have more legit users by offering rebates through that guild.
Another thing: let's come back to those 5k in software. If they changed their rules a little, they'd easily be able to offer license renting with monthly payments. IF they were a little smarter, they'd add some advertising banner in the monthly software updates to make prices lighter. Imagine yourself renting a license of Ableton Live or Logic for a month or two, just when you want to try it out or when you need it, for less than a parking ticket?? I do.
Those small things don't cost much time or money, yet they'd make a big part of TWO separate industries happy.
I sent those ideas to developers, only 2 of them replied: Propellerhead, and Image Line. The others didn't even bother.
Our industries are similar in the way that a lot of crap is polluting them, that's my conclusion. :-D |
I kinda like your idea. Both the guild and the licensing of software. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Alot of classical was passed down because people knew how to play them sure there are recordings for today, but that isn't how the music is passed down. |
And magically, scores in the composers handwriting just showed up. |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
Imagine yourself renting a license of Ableton Live or Logic for a month or two, just when you want to try it out or when you need it, for less than a parking ticket?? I do. |
I'd like to see that. I'm hoping there's a trend away from personal ownership in general - I'd love to get rid of my personal collection of CDs, movies, books and so on, and just pay a monthly fee to an organisation which provides access to everything, which then pays the creators based on usage.
Then, as long as you pay your monthly fees, you have access to everything you want, whether from your PC or mobile phone or whatever. That'd be the ultimate convenience to me as a user, and something I'd happily pay a decent monthly fee for.
Of course, there are probably a million reasons why this won't work, or why it might take a long, long time to change from the present way of charging people, and requiring every person to have their own personal copy. |
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| cronodevir |
derail, you would end up with 50 different services completely incompatible with each other.
Also, Terminal Access is nothing but trouble. Too much control in the hands of one entity. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
Another thing: let's come back to those 5k in software. If they changed their rules a little, they'd easily be able to offer license renting with monthly payments. IF they were a little smarter, they'd add some advertising banner in the monthly software updates to make prices lighter. Imagine yourself renting a license of Ableton Live or Logic for a month or two, just when you want to try it out or when you need it, for less than a parking ticket?? I do.
Those small things don't cost much time or money, yet they'd make a big part of TWO separate industries happy. |
Renting licenses might make it easier for studios to ease into a legal practice, instead of having to drop one big wad of cash at a single time.
I could imagine Fruity Loops having ads:
"Uplifting Trance Midi $29.99!!!":stongue: |
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| Storyteller |
| I wish there was a proper mod in here. I'd put out a couple of bans. Well, actually a single ban and half of the would have been taken care of. :stongue: |
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| cronodevir |
| RichieV wouldn't like that ban though... |
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