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Best Rompler? (pg. 2)
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| smole |
[quote}You obviously don’t know the difference between a rompler and a synth[/quote]
YOU dont oviously don´t know Nexus as well. It also has native waveforms (NON Sampled), same like Omnisphere.
The fact, that the User does not have access to every parameter, does not classify "rompler / not rompler"
btw, Nexus² has some great improvements to 1 and the user has got much more influence to the preset |
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| cryophonik |
I see you changed your post while I was typing, but I'll add this then I'm done and we'll have to agree to disagree.
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
I will draw the line at this product being a rompler. Perhaps you should be wondering why other synths manage to have an EXE of 5 megs while this synth somehow takes 32 gigs. |
I don't wonder at all while it has a 42GB library of samples. I think it's pretty clear that Omnisphere can utilize sampled waveforms and they take up a lot of bytes. That doesn't make it a rompler.
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
In summation , if you think this is a rompler, then you also think
Triton
Karma
Nexus
Atmosphere
Trilogy
are romplers as well. |
TBH, Triton and Karma I have very little knowledge of and almost no experience with (I'm more of a Roland guy), so I don't know or care if they're romplers. But, yes, I do think that Nexus, Atmosphere, and Trilogy are romplers because, well, they are - the manufacturers will even tell you that they're romplers. There's nothing wrong with that - they're all still fantastic instruments. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
I think it's pretty clear that Omnisphere can utilize sampled waveforms and they take up a lot of bytes. That doesn't make it a rompler.
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yes it does. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
And there's also Physical Modelling, that's a virtual representation of the physical laws involved in basic instruments. You select your primary element such as wood, string, glass, and you choose the object it will be treated with, a pickup, a bow, a hammer, or by blowing on it. The biggest one actually is Logic's Structure. |
Sculpture is easily my favorite Logic synth. I wish I had Logic so I could use it more often. Love all of those crazy timbres you can generate... |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
And you are condescending. |
Aren't we all? :tongue2
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
yes it is. I would of thought the 32 gigs part would give it away. |
Look, RichieV, sorry if I come across as condescending or offensive, but we're really just splitting hairs here. My real annoyance isn't really with you or with the actual definition of what is/isn't a rompler. We probably agree here more than we disagree - the real problem is the stigma attached to romplers by the "dumb at heart" (although I liked your original term better ;) ) - those people who see the term rompler and instantly think of them as some sort of playback-only machine with no/little ability to alter or create your own sounds. You and I know that this clearly is not the case, and even more so in the case of Omnisphere, which is one of the deepest synths/romplers (hardware or software) that I have ever owned. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
I don't see why people have such a problem with sample-based stuff. I make practically all of my sounds for ambient tracks by transforming samples I find or record.
It does annoy me when uncreative people use romplers as "preset factories," but that's something you can just as easily do with any synth. It's not a problem unique to sample-based programs. |
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| RichieV |
i agree with you there
like i said before, Rompler's stopped being made along time ago. Every sample based sound module from 10 years ago did more than just play back samples. There is little difference between the older RomSynths ( triton, Karma, motif ) and the new ones ( Omni, Nexus ). Some have more features and some have less. I as i said before, every VAS is in a way a rompler because the waveforms are not pure and involve the use of wavetables.
I'm not judging. I just think Omnisphere is more of a rompler than a traditional synth. And the fact omnisphere has to remind everyone that it isn't a rompler is clearly a demonstration of the stigma you mentioned. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I don't see why people have such a problem with sample-based stuff...
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I don't either. I have to laugh every time I see a rompler thread and all the newbs are saying things like "I don't like romplers cuz you can't make your own sounds." Are these people serious? Do they really expect us to believe that they're creating their own sounds in VAs, but they can't see the huge range of possibilities using the same common parameters (e.g., choice of sample waveforms, filters, LFOs, envelopes, FX, mod matrices, etc.) that are right there staring them in the face on Nexus', Atmosphere's, etc. GUI? |
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| Agenz |
Just took the plunge and ordered Omnisphere after hearing a few sound demo's of it. One night this week totally lost :D
It sounds fooking fantastic :eek:. The few patches I heard were awesome.
@Cryophonik
How long does it take to install roughly. I'm on 8x core 2.8 Mac with 4 gb RAM. Also, how u liking BPM? I love it for knocking up idea's ;) |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Agenz
@Cryophonik
How long does it take to install roughly. I'm on 8x core 2.8 Mac with 4 gb RAM. Also, how u liking BPM? I love it for knocking up idea's ;) |
It took me about 2.5 hours to install the factory DVDs on a 2.4GHz Quad PC w/4GB. But, I bought it when it first came out and so I had to download and install the updates individually at later times. I'm not sure if the new DVDs will come with the latest updates or if you'll have to d/l them separately. If separately, most updates are pretty small/quick to install, but the big update (& extra sample content) was about an additional 45 minutes to d/l and install, IIRC.
As far as BPM goes, I haven't used it as much as I'd like to because I've been busy trying to finish off ideas that I started before I bought BPM. But, I like what I've seen so far and I actually think that I might end up liking it better than Guru, which I didn't expect. Basically, I think MOTU took a close look at Guru, copied the good stuff and improved the bad stuff. Also, I was really surprised to see that the iLok was included with BPM. |
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| vikernes |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
I don't either. I have to laugh every time I see a rompler thread and all the newbs are saying things like "I don't like romplers cuz you can't make your own sounds." Are these people serious? Do they really expect us to believe that they're creating their own sounds in VAs, but they can't see the huge range of possibilities using the same common parameters (e.g., choice of sample waveforms, filters, LFOs, envelopes, FX, mod matrices, etc.) that are right there staring them in the face on Nexus', Atmosphere's, etc. GUI? |
While I do use romplers the only problem I have with them (vs a "real" synth) is that I find a great patch in say Nexus, but then I can't open up the filters or anything. Just adjust volume and filter envelopes and that's about it as far as sound shaping goes. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I love how I have complete control over a sound in a "real" synth. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by vikernes
While I do use romplers the only problem I have with them (vs a "real" synth) is that I find a great patch in say Nexus, but then I can't open up the filters or anything. Just adjust volume and filter envelopes and that's about it as far as sound shaping goes. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I love how I have complete control over a sound in a "real" synth. |
Yep thats what gets me too, I dont need control over every parameter within a sound, if I do I'll use a regular synth, but not having native filter control of a sound drives me crazy. Its not like it would be that hard to just record all the sounds with the filters completely open then use the rompler to choose what level you wanna leave it at. |
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