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Best Rompler? (pg. 3)
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| No Left Turn |
| Definitely Nexus, IMO. It is the best utilitarian plug-in for electronic, dance music. The second best would have to be HalionONE that's included with Cubase. It is really good for all genres of music, not just electronic. |
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| kitphillips |
I blame the decline in romplers for a lot of the poor quality music out there these days. Previously, people used eclectic groups of real and synthesised instruments, now, everyone just tries to program their own sounds and usually ends up with average, or generic results.
Rompler sounds are a lot more organic, layered, better programmed and more interesting.
Bring back the Triton/Phantom/Omnisphere! |
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| Agenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
It took me about 2.5 hours to install the factory DVDs on a 2.4GHz Quad PC w/4GB. But, I bought it when it first came out and so I had to download and install the updates individually at later times. I'm not sure if the new DVDs will come with the latest updates or if you'll have to d/l them separately. If separately, most updates are pretty small/quick to install, but the big update (& extra sample content) was about an additional 45 minutes to d/l and install, IIRC.
As far as BPM goes, I haven't used it as much as I'd like to because I've been busy trying to finish off ideas that I started before I bought BPM. But, I like what I've seen so far and I actually think that I might end up liking it better than Guru, which I didn't expect. Basically, I think MOTU took a close look at Guru, copied the good stuff and improved the bad stuff. Also, I was really surprised to see that the iLok was included with BPM. |
Thanks for the info mate ;) Should be here tomorrow :D
Glad you're liking BPM. I agree with the Guru/BPM comparison but stick with it as it's gets easier to use with a little time/effort
and speeds up workflow, etc greatly.
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I blame the decline in romplers for a lot of the poor quality music out there these days. Previously, people used eclectic groups of real and synthesised instruments, now, everyone just tries to program their own sounds and usually ends up with average, or generic results.
Rompler sounds are a lot more organic, layered, better programmed and more interesting.
Bring back the Triton/Phantom/Omnisphere! |
are you serious ?
You need to listen to rap. That is all the use and the commercial rap is in a sad state of affairs. IF people suck making EDM, it isn't cause of the equipment. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
Learn your history about synths!
As for me I have a Roland D2 and a Roalnd xv-5050 and there Romplers! The Reason why i got Rolands is because i think they sound the best!
Also im going to get some Specterasonics stuff because of this guy Eric Persing!
Eric was a longtime consultant and the Chief Sound Designer for Roland Corporation Japan from 1984-2005, creating the key sounds for many popular Roland synthesizers, samplers, CD-ROMs, expansion boards, signal processors and groove devices - from the vintage Jupiter and JX series, to the legendary D-50, D-70, JD-800/990, R8, S-series samplers, JV-880/1080/2080, the Sound Canvas, JP-8000/8080, MC-505/909, The V-Drums, XV-5080, Fantom series, the V-Synth and many others! |
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| Lucidity |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
yes it does. |
Krishna synth and Alchemy both utilize gigs of samples, does that make them romplers? I dont think so, they do resynthesis, Omnisphere you can use as a full fledged synth without using the samples, same with the others I mentioned. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
are you serious ?
You need to listen to rap. That is all the use and the commercial rap is in a sad state of affairs. IF people suck making EDM, it isn't cause of the equipment. |
Yeah definately serious. Theres a lot of good sample based material that was used in some trance classics. I think the leads in ATB - 9 PM till I come, Solarstone - 7 Cities and Toca Me were all based on samples, as was a lot of the Chicane stuff. These are probably some of the best known sounds in dance music.
Trance today tends not to use so many samples, and I think its lost direction a bit. My favourite stuff at the moment is all quite sample reliant, and when I look at the songs I liked in trance in the past, they were all quite sample based.
And no thank you I will not listen to rap. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
^ Solar Stone's "Seven Cities" used a Nord Lead for the main sound.
I do sort of agree with you, though. Producers used to do a lot more sample-based stuff, just taking the best sounds they could find and putting them directly into tracks. Like Dave Seaman said:
"I wanted to go back to the original way DJs made records...Like when we made 'Such A Good Feeling' and 'The Mighty Ming'. It was all based around samples rather than the soft synth and plug ins world we seem to live in today."
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...+seaman+samples |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
^ Solar Stone's "Seven Cities" used a Nord Lead for the main sound.
I do sort of agree with you, though. Producers used to do a lot more sample-based stuff, just taking the best sounds they could find and putting them directly into tracks. Like Dave Seaman said:
"I wanted to go back to the original way DJs made records...Like when we made 'Such A Good Feeling' and 'The Mighty Ming'. It was all based around samples rather than the soft synth and plug ins world we seem to live in today."
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...+seaman+samples |
Yeah I was talking out of my arse on that one. Pretty sure about the other two though.
I just miss the warmth and direction that heavy use of samples used to give a track. A lot of deep house/deep disco at the moment tends to be more my style.
Oh, and Seaman's Gobbledegook part 4 is a good example of a new track with awesome use of samples.:eek: :eek: :crazy: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
I think there's sort of a purist mentality that has gotten popular among producers, that you have to create all your own sounds from scratch or it automatically isn't as good. I used to really buy into that idea myself, but these days I don't care anymore as long as something is creative and sounds nice...
My last track is based in part around samples from an old Velvet Underground record. But I think I transformed them in a pretty creative way.
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Yeah definately serious. Theres a lot of good sample based material that was used in some trance classics. I think the leads in ATB - 9 PM till I come, Solarstone - 7 Cities and Toca Me were all based on samples, as was a lot of the Chicane stuff. These are probably some of the best known sounds in dance music.
Trance today tends not to use so many samples, and I think its lost direction a bit. My favourite stuff at the moment is all quite sample reliant, and when I look at the songs I liked in trance in the past, they were all quite sample based.
And no thank you I will not listen to rap. |
You put the finger exactly where it hurts and I second your judgement here. Back in the good years, we were using samplers for something else than googlabytic pianos or drumkits, but far more for tweaking sounds too. Now instead people have the virtual version of the "real" thing such as VA's, but most of them can't program it or beef it up the way they should. However, my personal opinion is that producers don't get lost because of their inability, but because of their impatience, which is why they end up using the same old presets and/or flavourless patches they made previously.
And to be honest, although this is quite OT, the lack of punch and LIFE into nowaday's records comes only from that, not from the fact that it mostly makes use of software. A talented musician/performer can sell you a ty synthesizer/keyboard if he plays well for a demo. And this is what happens too often. At times we don't try out. I almost sold my copy of Omnisphere because I was a little lost in front of the unusual beast. Luckily enough Les from Spectrasonics didn't let me do that. :-) And it's a great synth. |
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think there's sort of a purist mentality that has gotten popular among producers, that you have to create all your own sounds from scratch or it automatically isn't as good. I used to really buy into that idea myself, but these days I don't care anymore as long as something is creative and sounds nice...
My last track is based in part around samples from an old Velvet Underground record. But I think I transformed them in a pretty creative way.
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We don't need any purism into this music world. All we need is a balance of self-accomplishment and simplicity. :-) |
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