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Battery sounds really "harsh" (pg. 3)
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| Magnus |
| I have used Battery for many years and still use Battery for nearly all of my percussion in nearly all of my tracks. I have never noticed it sounding harsh at all. One thing though is I'm still using Battery 2 because they changed some key things about Battery 3 that impede my workflow. I have tried other alternatives such as iDrum which I do use sometimes as it functions in a really cool way, but I always return back to Battery. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Yea I've never really liked it, but I don't know of any other good drum samplers.
I tried doing the laying it out by hand in cubase, its pretty nice.
The only problem is that adjusting the BPM of the track... they stay in the same spot and I could only get them back on beat by adjusting them by hand... |
hmm i dont have this problem, i seem to remember an option regarding 'keep samples in position' or something.
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnus
I have used Battery for many years and still use Battery for nearly all of my percussion in nearly all of my tracks. I have never noticed it sounding harsh at all. One thing though is I'm still using Battery 2 because they changed some key things about Battery 3 that impede my workflow. I have tried other alternatives such as iDrum which I do use sometimes as it functions in a really cool way, but I always return back to Battery. |
i've heard this before.. what do you like better about battery 2? |
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| DJ RANN |
+1 magnus - I'm having all sorts of issues with Battery 3
It won't load the kit and samples when I open a project, I can't make it save the volume of individual cells but the panning is saved, and the master keeps changing. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
+1 magnus - I'm having all sorts of issues with Battery 3
It won't load the kit and samples when I open a project, I can't make it save the volume of individual cells but the panning is saved, and the master keeps changing. |
Don't use the pirated version. |
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| Magnus |
I started a thread on this long ago but basically with Battery 3, they took away 2 things that are at the core of how I use the application. Taking away these things boggles my mind because to leave them in as they were in Battery 2 seems like it would be a no brainer.
The first thing with Battery 3 is you cannot drag and drop from a windows explorer window directly into a cell. Why in the hell would you take away this functionality? With Battery 2, you could drag and drop samples from anywhere imaginable into any cell. Instead, with Battery 3, you are forced to load in samples through the VST's cramped interface. Forget it.
The second thing is they removed the ability to audition a sample from the browse window when looking for a sample to load into a cell. WTF? Again why would you remove such a thing?
So not only am I forced to load and browse samples using the cramped Battery 3 interface, I cannot audition the samples I'm clicking on until loading them into a cell.
With Battery 2, you can audition entire directories full of samples very quickly by clicking on any of them and when you find one you like you can drag and drop it onto a cell, quickly filling up a Battery 2 matrix with sounds you like. Battery 3 makes this process much more difficult by removing this functionality and I have never been able to understand why.
For some people these issues might not be major but for me its a dealbreaker. It all depends on how you like to work. |
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| cronodevir |
You can audition sounds still. go to Battery 3's browser, go to your sample folder, and click. you can also drag and drop from there.
I imagine they took out out-side drag and drop for compatibility issues. Not every host/OS would allow it for instance. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Id rather record myself stomping my foot, clapping my hands and uhntss`ing with my mouth than to use Battery. |
I've never had any problem with Battery (2).
Loading individual one-shot samples directly into the sequencer does not scale well. It only works if your percussion is very simplistic. There's nothing wrong with that, a lot of tracks are like that, but you guys go on and on and on and on about how unnecessary it is; just because a drum sampler is unnecessary for you doesn't mean that your way works for everyone. A typical track for me has at least 10 percussion samples and 30 other samples... like I want to go hunting for the right ones all the time and fiddling with 32nd-note precision on the main sequencer screen.
As to the OP, Battery does not change the sound, at all. Perhaps you have added some compression for the kick, and forgotten that all of your other sounds will be routed through the same channel unless you explicitly change it? |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I am loading my own samples when I say it sounds harsh... :( |
Woah thats really strange - im assuming your samples arent clipping when played outside battery so thats weird.
Does it happen to all your samples or just certain ones? Have you looked at the levels coming out of battery versus playing your samples in some other sampler?? |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
You can audition sounds still. go to Battery 3's browser, go to your sample folder, and click. you can also drag and drop from there.
I imagine they took out out-side drag and drop for compatibility issues. Not every host/OS would allow it for instance. |
I read somewhere on ableton that Live 8 would now allow you to drag and drop from the ableton browser but i dunno if its true.......... |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
I've never had any problem with Battery (2).
Loading individual one-shot samples directly into the sequencer does not scale well. It only works if your percussion is very simplistic. There's nothing wrong with that, a lot of tracks are like that, but you guys go on and on and on and on about how unnecessary it is; just because a drum sampler is unnecessary for you doesn't mean that your way works for everyone. A typical track for me has at least 10 percussion samples and 30 other samples... like I want to go hunting for the right ones all the time and fiddling with 32nd-note precision on the main sequencer screen.
As to the OP, Battery does not change the sound, at all. Perhaps you have added some compression for the kick, and forgotten that all of your other sounds will be routed through the same channel unless you explicitly change it? |
Mainly i say that because ive tried Battery (1-3), and i`ve had problems with it for the most part, i feel the samples are weakened, tedious audio outputs routing, crashes, sluggish loading time/behavior and missing samples.
I have tried every other solution for drums too - Rewire (Reason, FL Studio, Ableton) Samplers (Battery, Halion, Guru etc.) it just does not work for me, i need complete separate control (effects, EQ, pan, and volume) over each drum pattern, easy accessible from the arrangement window at all times.
I dont think drum samplers are unnecessary at all, i`ve just had bad experiences with them, and especially Battery, ive been looking for the VST to use for drums, but with little luck.
Have been importing one shots for about 4 years now, so i have learned techniques, made key commands, and such to make it work as efficiently as possible, and i am fully capable of creating fairly complex drum patterns pretty fast.
It could take longer to create a pattern, but once created I find it much easier to mix at later stages.
But no, it is not fast enough, especially auditioning/replacing samples is a bitch!
So im eagerly waiting to check out Cubase 5 and its new drum plugins. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Mainly i say that because ive tried Battery (1-3), and i`ve had problems with it for the most part, i feel the samples are weakened, tedious audio outputs routing, crashes, sluggish loading time/behavior and missing samples. |
I've solved the tedious routing problem by having a Battery instance as part of my standard Cubase project template. First three slots go to a kick channel, the rest of the row goes to a spare, next row goes to snares/claps, next goes to tribal and exotic perc, next goes to hats, next to FX. I just add samples to the right category row, the rest of the work is already done. The template also puts standard effects on each channel so that I only need to tweak them - different compressors on the kick, snare, reverb on effects, and so on.
This saves probably about a half hour of wasted time. I guess if Battery is crashing or losing samples on you there's nothing you can do, but I've never had that happen, and as for "weakened" samples, I'm not buying that one.
I'm not saying that everybody should use battery, just that you've all made your point with the constant dissing and that for a lot of us it's practically a bread-and-butter plugin. And there's no way, none, that it's somehow changing the samples that go through it. If you believe that, prove it. |
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