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Shock jock who supported torture changed by being waterboarded... (pg. 8)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
The question that seems to be avoided by most defenders of waterboarding is:
"Well, if the legal definition of 'torture' doesn't yet cover something that is called 'torture' by practically everyone who experiences it, perhaps the definition needs changing?" |
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| Joss Weatherby |
I like the idea of sodomizing people with candles... :nervous:
ps. im drunk. |
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| yukii |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I like the idea of sodomizing people with candles... :nervous:
ps. im drunk. |
go to bed sweet pea.
let us argue in this (pointless) debate & sodomize each other. :) |
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| idoru |
I stopped reading for about the last page or so because, quite frankly, you all ing suck. I know that this following statement is going to be incredibly hypocritical after having said that, but all of the personal attacks and bashing that you guys have done just seem incredibly petty, childish and immature. I especially love how, just like the rest of the country, you're all so set in your "Right vs. Left" ways. you.
Over the last year I've sat here and heard all of this talk about "bi-partisanship" and people coming together and trying to see eye-to-eye. Yet every single time I read any sort of political news, all I see is "Right vs. Left." I know that it has been reiterated time and again by the guy running this bitch (who is equally to blame), but that gets us nowhere. Not a single Goddamned one of you are willing to compromise on this issue.
If you posted in this thread bashing the "Liberals" and claiming to be Conservative, you've done nothing but spew back the same rhetoric that every other identifying Conservative has done over the last few months. Likewise goes for all of you who identify as Liberals.
The bickering, blame-game, name-calling and downright elementary school attitudes are what is wrong with politics. Each side is so set on trying to deface the other that they're too afraid to sit down and compromise, because that would cause their own side to shun them and make them look just as horrible.
This country is a piece of , and you're all playing into it and making it worse.
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Those legal opinions were long ago discarded by the Supreme Court. In fact some of those who wrote them might find themselves under investigation. |
Huh? As of last year, the Pierre precident was upheld in the 3rd Circuit court by a 10-3 vote... and this precident backs up the legality of waterboarding's use, as it's instructed to be used.
| quote: | Saying 'having no intent to inflict mental/physical damage using techniques like water boarding is not torture' is like me going out and killing someone but telling the cops, it's not murder because I DIDN'T INTEND TO KILL THE GUY!!
Not intending to do a crime does not mean when a crime is done, the perpetrator gets off. I don't know one legal system where a defendant can simply say, "I didn't mean it." |
We're talking about interrogators acting within the legal boundaries of how waterboarding was laid out to be performed. They were not committing an illegal act or a crime that is on the books... quite the opposite actually; you are arguing that the rules they legally abided by, backed up by the precident of specific intent, are a crime in your opinion. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Apparently, you'v forgot about sleep deprivation, repetitive loud noises, stress positions, rapid temperature changes, sexual harassment, physical infliction of pain to the point of death...not to mention whatever the CIA black rendition sites have done. Water boarding isn't the only depraved activity we'v engaged in. Remember Abu Graib? Bagram AFB? GUANTANAMO!?
They were answered legally? That's nonsense. The Supreme Court pwned John Yoo and the corrupt Justice Dept which went down in flames in its own imcompetance.. |
I'm not going to get into a full blown torture debate with you going all the way back to the Spanish Inquisition. Let's stick to waterboarding, which is what this topic is about. |
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| yukii |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I stopped reading for about the last page or so because, quite frankly, you all ing suck. I know that this following statement is going to be incredibly hypocritical after having said that, but all of the personal attacks and bashing that you guys have done just seem incredibly petty, childish and immature. I especially love how, just like the rest of the country, you're all so set in your "Right vs. Left" ways. you.
Over the last year I've sat here and heard all of this talk about "bi-partisanship" and people coming together and trying to see eye-to-eye. Yet every single time I read any sort of political news, all I see is "Right vs. Left." I know that it has been reiterated time and again by the guy running this bitch (who is equally to blame), but that gets us nowhere. Not a single Goddamned one of you are willing to compromise on this issue.
If you posted in this thread bashing the "Liberals" and claiming to be Conservative, you've done nothing but spew back the same rhetoric that every other identifying Conservative has done over the last few months. Likewise goes for all of you who identify as Liberals.
The bickering, blame-game, name-calling and downright elementary school attitudes are what is wrong with politics. Each side is so set on trying to deface the other that they're too afraid to sit down and compromise, because that would cause their own side to shun them and make them look just as horrible.
This country is a piece of , and you're all playing into it and making it worse.
/rant |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | | Originally posted by idoru |
Do you actually have an opinion about the legal and moral issues, or are you just going to say "a pox on both your houses" so you don't have to bother arguing anything?
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by yukii
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That is some pretty funny ... I must say |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Do you actually have an opinion about the legal and moral issues, or are you just going to say "a pox on both your houses" so you don't have to bother arguing anything?
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Simply put, I'm against waterboarding regardless of whether or not it is "torture" or "an enhanced interrogation technique."
I realize that I might not've been on topic, but I'm so sick of seeing that everywhere that reading it here finally made me snap. I'll continue to stand by what I posted. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Simply put, I'm against waterboarding regardless of whether or not it is "torture" or "an enhanced interrogation technique."
I realize that I might not've been on topic, but I'm so sick of seeing that everywhere that reading it here finally made me snap. I'll continue to stand by what I posted. |
I understand the frustration. Your point is well taken. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Huh? As of last year, the Pierre precident was upheld in the 3rd Circuit court by a 10-3 vote... and this precident backs up the legality of waterboarding's use, as it's instructed to be used. |
I have no idea what the Pierre precedent is. But I have something better.
We prosecuted this guy for water torture...
http://www.2008electionprocon.org/pdf/asano_case.pdf
Steven G. Bradbury, acting head of the US Department of Justice (DOJ) Office of Legal Counsel, on February 14, 2008 testified:
There has been no determination by the Justice Department that the use of waterboarding, under any circumstances, would be lawful under current law...http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/papercha...rized-under.php
| quote: | | We're talking about interrogators acting within the legal boundaries of how waterboarding was laid out to be performed. They were not committing an illegal act or a crime that is on the books... quite the opposite actually; you are arguing that the rules they legally obided by, backed up by the precident of specific intent, are a crime in your opinion. |
The law in and of itself was ILLEGAL. That's why it is no longer used. The Bybee (torture) memos are defunct. Obama has already said many interrogators will not be prosecuted, and I generally agree with such a decision. But those at the top who authorized the moral degradation of America should face the hand of justice, have their law licenses stripped, and prosecuted for war crimes. |
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