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And now they are about to ban.... lawnmowers!
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| Jayx1 |
It doesnt stop in this fine city of ours!
My god...
| quote: | Toronto could be looking at an outright ban on polluting two-stroke engines for lawn care equipment three years from now.
That was the word from Toronto's executive committee, as it considered a plan to phase out the equipment for city workers by 2013.
The city is looking at getting rid of the fume-spewing motors as a part of its plan to fight climate change. While all internal combustion motors produce particulate and greenhouse gases, the venerable two-stroke motor used to power lawn mowers, hedge trimmers and leaf blowers is a particularly bad offender.
A 2001 report from Toronto's medical officer of health showed that a two-stroke engine manufactured a year earlier could emit nearly 500 times as many hydrocarbons, 26 times the amount of carbon monoxide and 49 times as much particulate as a car made in the same year.
The executive committee approved the plan, but also decided to look at ways to encourage Torontonians to abandon the motors for either more efficient motors or manual lawnmowers and other devices.
Committee member Howard Moscoe moved a motion to look at taking a more aggressive approach - but not immediately.
Under his amendment, the city will review the question for regulating the devices in three years.
"The city will go ahead with it when people are ready for it," said Moscoe.
"The fact of the matter is that almost every home in the city has a lawn that needs to get cut. And more than half of the lawnmowers have two-stroke motors. The pollution is huge - much more than anyone realizes. You could drive a car to Windsor and back and spew less pollutants."
But he made it clear that the city wouldn't likely contemplate an immediate ban. He and other councillors pointed to the slow phase-in that of Toronto's pesticide bylaw, which took several years to fully enact a bylaw making it illegal to use pesticides on a lawn.
"Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | | "Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe. |
And there you have it folks, quote of the century. Pretty soon they will find that you cant get blood from a stone.
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | | "Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe. |
I didn't know it was their job:rolleyes:
I can understand wanting to get rid of old lawnmowers that produce pollution but unless the government is going to give handouts to people so they can buy new lawnmowers then the government shouldn't be banning them.
I have a non-motorized push lawnmower...not because I'm environmentally friendly but because I don't have a large yard. |
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| NuERA |
| you should probably just move |
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| Intangible |
I don’t see what’s wrong with this…
They aren’t banning them at least not right away – if they do it will take years to happen.
They just need to make an aggressive plan to remove them from Toronto homes – offering rebates and/or other initiatives for buying environmentally friendly lawnmowers or (although this would have to be a provincial strategy) banning the sale of these polluting lawn mowers at retailers.
| quote: | | "Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe. |
I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn’t the way to do it… but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant – the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop. |
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| Sentinal |
| Davild Miller politics. he needs to be ousted. |
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| Yohan |
I didn't know municipal government was in charge of environment.
last I checked, that was a provincial thing
More important things to worry about in Toronto than lawnmowers... |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
I don’t see what’s wrong with this…
They aren’t banning them at least not right away – if they do it will take years to happen.
They just need to make an aggressive plan to remove them from Toronto homes – offering rebates and/or other initiatives for buying environmentally friendly lawnmowers or (although this would have to be a provincial strategy) banning the sale of these polluting lawn mowers at retailers.
I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn’t the way to do it… but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant – the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop. |
So when exactly do you draw the line when it comes to controlling people's lives? Does every little thing need to be government approved?
Do we all need to follow the way of the oracles in city hall or die?
Seriously when is enough enough? |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn’t the way to do it… but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant – the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop. |
The people have the right to be selfish, stupid and arrogant, as long as they are not harming others |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
The people have the right to be selfish, stupid and arrogant, as long as they are not harming others |
Not in a dictatorship... oh i forgot we have elections. Fat lot of good that does us eh? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn’t the way to do it… but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant – the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop. |
The problem is the government doesn't want to spend the money or take the time to educate people...which is what the government should be doing....that is their job. They just want to skip those steps and go right to banning something.
I have no issue with getting rid of polluting lawnmowers as long as the government provides rebates when you purchase a new lawnmower. Somehow I don't think this will be the case...it will be more of a stop using them or we will fine you approach. |
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| Intangible |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
The people have the right to be selfish, stupid and arrogant, as long as they are not harming others |
What is pollution?? It harms people, the city, the future... |
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