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Obama's speech to the Muslim world (pg. 2)
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | | In Ankara, I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam. We will, however, relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security. Because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children. And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people. |
This is amazing. Does he not have a clue as to what is going on in the Middle East right now?
| quote: | | The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America’s goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. |
Very scary stuff right here.
| quote: | | But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with. |
Aren't over 90,000 innocent civilians dead in Iraq due to the "war" right now?
| quote: | | And despite the costs involved, America’s commitment will not weaken. |
Here's another dollar sir! :rolleyes:
| quote: | | We also know that military power alone is not going to solve the problems in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is why we plan to invest $1.5 billion each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses, and hundreds of millions to help those who have been displaced. And that is why we are providing more than $2.8 billion to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend upon. |
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!! |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
uh what |
Exactly. I remember 13 original colonies/states. Everything beyond those was another "colony." |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Exactly. I remember 13 original colonies/states. Everything beyond those was another "colony." |
+ Cuba + Puerto Rico + Guam + The Philippines + Panama Canal Zone |
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| Dupz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
+ Cuba + Puerto Rico + Guam + The Philippines + Panama Canal Zone |
+ Diego Garcia
Nonetheless, this is no doubt a step in the right direction for the US. Despite all those questions and points that people on this board will post (including my own addition of Diego Garcia, above), these issues are largely from Americas past. We cant expect decades/centuries of imperialism (for want of a better word) to be erased overnight.
The Bin Laden's of the world will hold onto old grudges and single out words from Obama that are contradictory to history, but lets see his words for what they are - a step in the right direction.
It will take many decades to heal all the hurts created by previous administrations. Obama isnt going to achieve everything people have expected of him in the 4-8 years. |
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| DJ Damerchi |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
4- Mentioning that Iraq was a "war of choice" but failing to mention the million or so times Saddam failed to comply with UN Security Council resolutions
10- Saying we should not dictate to other countries, yet dictating to Israel to stop building settlements in the West Bank. Uhhh... am I missing something here? |
see reso. 242. It really is convenient to use the security council to your advantage when it is alligned with your political ideology and to conveniently ignore it when it isn't, eh 17? |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
yes thats why its called algebra |
algebra (al-jabr) is an arabic word.
arabic |= muslim |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
algebra (al-jabr) is an arabic word.
arabic |= muslim |
ok yea that was a slipup, but the guy who named it aljabr was also a muslim |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
1 - The moral equivalency on women's rights was downright weak. He said like in the Muslim world, the struggle for womens' equality continues in many aspects of American life. So, on one hand you have what... a women's college lacrosse team fighting for the right to their full funding under Title IX, and on the other hand you have women beaten in the street in Saudi Arabia who show an ankle.
2- I thought it was kinda weird that he's down with allowing Iran to pursue nuclear power but not our own country.
3- What was with apologizing for colonialism? America has no colonialism past.
4- Mentioning that Iraq was a "war of choice" but failing to mention the million or so times Saddam failed to comply with UN Security Council resolutions.
5- He tried to connect the civil rights movement in the U.S. with the Palestinians' struggle for an independent state. The civil rights movement didn't have the goal of destroying the U.S., while Hamas and other extremist groups wanting to lead the Palestinians expressly have that goal.
6- Not once did he mention the good things America has done on behalf of Muslim nations... the aid and assistance we provided Indonesia after the tsunami, coming to Kuwait's aid, Kosovo's... etc.
7- "It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra." Wrong... it was developed by ancient Babylonians who weren't Muslim. (edit: and has greek roots)
8- This poor moral equivalency:
It's naive to think the Palestinians want to peacefully co-exist with Israelies. 6 million Jews dead is equal to 60 years without a homeland? LOL.
9- His statement that the U.S. is one of the largest "Muslim countries" in the world. Hilarious actually. What's the number... somewhere between 1.5-7 million in America? From a world population of 1.5 billion? There are 34 countries I believe with larger populations of Muslims.
10- Saying we should not dictate to other countries, yet dictating to Israel to stop building settlements in the West Bank. Uhhh... am I missing something here?
And as a bonus, if you want tips on "how to write your own Obama speech", go here---> http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...ma-speech/full/
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it's a good thing you aren't paid to write speeches. the purpose of the speech wasn't to enlighten people; it was meant to build a bridge with the average muslim (i.e., show muslims that americans aren't that different). to that extent, obama had to make personal connections with the audience (e.g., woman's rights, civil rights, etc...). One of the most basic lessons in communications is to address your audience, in this case, the muslim people. Pontificating to the muslim people about america's superiority would have been counterproductive. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
ok yea that was a slipup, but the guy who named it aljabr was also a muslim |
perhaps, but that doesn't necessarily make it a muslim contribution. I'm not saying muslims didn't contribution to algebra, because i don't really know the history of algebra (and knowing the history is relatively useless anyway), but simply naming something isn't much of a contribution.
A far more important contribution to algebra by a muslim (of which I'm aware) is the introduction of:
(i) arabic numerals [i.e., 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0] and
(ii) the cancellation of like terms from both sides of an equation [i.e., the ability to subtract 5 from both sides of an equation such that if the left side of an equation had +5 as a component, after conducting that operation, the +5 was eliminated from the left side and the right side had -5 as a component). could you imagine life without this simple operation? |
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| cronodevir |
Here is a partial list of muslim contributions, you can google everyons name.
[ A timetable of contributions:]
- Chuzini, Abu al-Fath al-; physicist.
- Ibn Hisham; biographer, historian.
- Ibn Labban, Kushyar.
- Ibn Turk, `Abd al-Hamid; mathematician.
- Ibn al-Muqtafi, Abu al-Fadl Ja`far; astronomer.
- 767 Ibn Ishaq; biographer, historian.
721- 815 Jabir ibn Hayyan, Abu Musa (Geber); alchemist.
780- 850 Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa al-; astronomer,
mathematician.
82?- 861 Farghani, Abu al-`Abbas al- (Afragamus); astronomer,
geographer.
828- 889 Ibn Qutaybah; historian, philologist, theologian.
826- 901 Ibn Qurra, Thabit; mathematician.
865- 923 Razi, al- (Rhazes); alchemist, physician.
839- 923 Tabari, al-; historian, theologian.
858- 929 Battani, al- (Albatenius); astronomer, mathematician.
870- 950 Farabi, al- (Alfarabicus), poet.
940- 998 Abu al-Wafa'; astronomer, mathematician.
-1008 Ibn Yunus; astronomer, mathematician.
936-1013 Abu al-Qasim (Albucasis); physician.
-1029 Karkhi, al-; mathematician.
930-1030 Ibn Miskawayh; historian.
980-1037 Ibn Sina, Abu `Ali al-Husayn (Avicenna);
physician.
965-1039 Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen); mathematician, physicist.
973-1048 Biruni, al-; historian, mathematician, physicist.
1058-1111 Ghazali, Abu Hamid al- (Algazel); philosopher.
1048-1131 Khayyam, `Umar (Omar Khayyam); astronomer, mathematician,
poet.
1075-1144 Zamakhshari, al-; philologist, theologian.
1090-1162 Ibn Zuhr, Abu Marwun `Abd al-Malik (Avenzoar, Abumeron);
physician.
1100-1185 Ibn Tufayl; physician.
1126-1198 Ibn Rushd, Abu al-Walid (Averroes); philosopher,
physician.
1201-1274 Tusi, Nasir al-Din al-; astronomer, mathematician,
-1288 Ibn al-Nafis; physician.
-137? Ibn al-Shatir; astronomer.
1332-1406 Ibn Khaldun, Abu Zayd `Abd al-Rahman; historian,
sociologist.
-1436 Kashi, al-; mathematician.
1445-1505 Suyuti, al-; historian, philologist, theologian. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Here is a partial list of muslim contributions, you can google everyons name.
[ A timetable of contributions:]
- Chuzini, Abu al-Fath al-; physicist.
- Ibn Hisham; biographer, historian.
- Ibn Labban, Kushyar.
- Ibn Turk, `Abd al-Hamid; mathematician.
- Ibn al-Muqtafi, Abu al-Fadl Ja`far; astronomer.
- 767 Ibn Ishaq; biographer, historian.
721- 815 Jabir ibn Hayyan, Abu Musa (Geber); alchemist.
780- 850 Khwarizmi, Muhammad ibn Musa al-; astronomer,
mathematician.
82?- 861 Farghani, Abu al-`Abbas al- (Afragamus); astronomer,
geographer.
828- 889 Ibn Qutaybah; historian, philologist, theologian.
826- 901 Ibn Qurra, Thabit; mathematician.
865- 923 Razi, al- (Rhazes); alchemist, physician.
839- 923 Tabari, al-; historian, theologian.
858- 929 Battani, al- (Albatenius); astronomer, mathematician.
870- 950 Farabi, al- (Alfarabicus), poet.
940- 998 Abu al-Wafa'; astronomer, mathematician.
-1008 Ibn Yunus; astronomer, mathematician.
936-1013 Abu al-Qasim (Albucasis); physician.
-1029 Karkhi, al-; mathematician.
930-1030 Ibn Miskawayh; historian.
980-1037 Ibn Sina, Abu `Ali al-Husayn (Avicenna);
physician.
965-1039 Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen); mathematician, physicist.
973-1048 Biruni, al-; historian, mathematician, physicist.
1058-1111 Ghazali, Abu Hamid al- (Algazel); philosopher.
1048-1131 Khayyam, `Umar (Omar Khayyam); astronomer, mathematician,
poet.
1075-1144 Zamakhshari, al-; philologist, theologian.
1090-1162 Ibn Zuhr, Abu Marwun `Abd al-Malik (Avenzoar, Abumeron);
physician.
1100-1185 Ibn Tufayl; physician.
1126-1198 Ibn Rushd, Abu al-Walid (Averroes); philosopher,
physician.
1201-1274 Tusi, Nasir al-Din al-; astronomer, mathematician,
-1288 Ibn al-Nafis; physician.
-137? Ibn al-Shatir; astronomer.
1332-1406 Ibn Khaldun, Abu Zayd `Abd al-Rahman; historian,
sociologist.
-1436 Kashi, al-; mathematician.
1445-1505 Suyuti, al-; historian, philologist, theologian. |
Presumably you mean muslim contributors and not contributions; I don't see a single contribution on that list. Nevertheless, that list is rather short!
I'm sticking with the introduction of arabic numerals as the greatest contribution by a muslim to modern society. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
Presumably you mean muslim contributors and not contributions; I don't see a single contribution on that list. Nevertheless, that list is rather short!
I'm sticking with the introduction of arabic numerals as the greatest contribution by a muslim to modern society. |
Don't forget soap, toothpaste, and plenty more. Toothpaste comes from a plant gorwn in the middle east. Atleast, it did before all this synthetic crap came along. And before the muslims invaded europe..europeans didn't bathe. The black death and all that...was from the fact that they didn't bathe, or know how to. This is why aromas and perfumes [also from the muslims] were so appealing. they blocked out the scent of not batheing.
You see a list of contibutors?...well, if they are contributors, that means.. Gasp .. they made contributions. Its up to you to look them up. My post wasn't part of the debate, it was simply a list one could look up if one wanted.
Its interesting to see western arrogance protrayed in the text books. The past from the 6th century up untill [well, now] muslims have been the primary contributors. Yet the muslim world gets mabey one or two pages in your standard textbook. They might talk about Salahu-Din and the crusades, that's about it.
Even today muslims from india, china, and most of south east asian, and even the middle east, are the ones who come to ameirca and europe and designe every thing. Look up the people who do these things some day. Don't jsut assume that since its from the west, it was made by a white aetheist. |
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