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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
Jay,
I would love to sit down with you and have a beer and discuss politics. You are totally on the pulse of current events. And just in case you might think this is dirogitory in any, it is not.
Maybe you ought to run in some level of politics. This country needs someone with integrity.... |
I would love that some day. And thanks for the compliment.
I dont think id ever run for office. I think Im too honest and people like to be lied to. You tell the truth and they wont vote for you because the truth isnt very pleasent or "sexy". Just ask Dalton! Canadians want to hear the lies and then get angry when they find out they are lies. This is why we get false hope band aid laws like 5 cent bags. It makes some people feel really really good about themselves. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
Dude I'm even going to try and deny it. I am very much a conservative. I hate the Fiberals as a whole almost as much as I hate Dalton. I know there are a lot of liberal supporters on here, but thats just my political preference. |
You evil baby eating nazi!! LOL |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Water restrictions yes.. they are common and due to water supply issues. This i understand to a point. You see, after awhile when the water supplies were plentiful the restrictions remained. The car washing law? Thats really a toronto law. its possible its in a handful of other juridictions which doesnt make it acceptable either. But it seems that if its a law anywhere its always a law in toronto. They love to tell us how to do every single thing in our daily life.
Yes this didnt start with miller. But hes accelerated the process and made things worse at what seems like record speed.
The decline of toronto is very telling. Our priorities are in the wrong place and its obvious that bans and nanny state governing arent having the effect they intended......... Or are they? |
keep digging that hole. you really do make yourself sound like an idiot. keep sending those facebook messages to some admin for Miller's profile. don't actually DO anything. we've heard of the "keyboard warrior". I label you a "keyboard complainer"!
how is the car wash ban a "Toronto law" when many other places have it?
instead of crying (as usual) how about you do some research. perhaps comprehend why these places have implemented bans/restrictions.
or are the authorities in ALL of these places just morons and Jayx1 knows better?
I see. so now that it's been pointed out Miller didn't start it, he's now he's just accelerated it. what *specifically* about *this* issue has Miller accelerated? well, seeing as how NO VIOLATION NOTICES HAVE BEEN ISSUED, isn't the answer...NOTHING?
I already know what's coming next. you'll drop this particular issue and start ranting about other ones. good job! I really could care less what you think in your naive, idealistic head...but that other people here think you're some wonderful voice against the man or something is what's sad.
to complain about a car wash ban that isn't generally enforced, and that you apparently just found out about, despite it being on the books since 2000...weak. |
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| Intangible |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Water restrictions yes.. they are common and due to water supply issues. This i understand to a point. You see, after awhile when the water supplies were plentiful the restrictions remained. The car washing law? Thats really a toronto law. its possible its in a handful of other juridictions which doesnt make it acceptable either. But it seems that if its a law anywhere its always a law in toronto. They love to tell us how to do every single thing in our daily life.
Yes this didnt start with miller. But hes accelerated the process and made things worse at what seems like record speed.
The decline of toronto is very telling. Our priorities are in the wrong place and its obvious that bans and nanny state governing arent having the effect they intended......... Or are they? |
don't with my water supply buddy! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
keep digging that hole. you really do make yourself sound like an idiot. keep sending those facebook messages to some admin for Miller's profile. don't actually DO anything. we've heard of the "keyboard warrior". I label you a "keyboard complainer"!
how is the car wash ban a "Toronto law" when many other places have it?
instead of crying (as usual) how about you do some research. perhaps comprehend why these places have implemented bans/restrictions.
or are the authorities in ALL of these places just morons and Jayx1 knows better?
I see. so now that it's been pointed out Miller didn't start it, he's now he's just accelerated it. what *specifically* about *this* issue has Miller accelerated? well, seeing as how NO VIOLATION NOTICES HAVE BEEN ISSUED, isn't the answer...NOTHING?
I already know what's coming next. you'll drop this particular issue and start ranting about other ones. good job! I really could care less what you think in your naive, idealistic head...but that other people here think you're some wonderful voice against the man or something is what's sad.
to complain about a car wash ban that isn't generally enforced, and that you apparently just found out about, despite it being on the books since 2000...weak. |
In case you havnt figured out, as usual i am not talking about this one law specifically but the combination of all of them together. When i mention a particular law, its one more grain of sand on an overflowing pile. Everything in Toronto is regulated. Whether its carwashes or god knows what. The fact that they arent fining people (yet) for car washes is irrelevant because they could anytime they feel like it. Just like how out of the blue last year they started fining people who dare put out sandwich board signs after years of that law not being enforced.
Im sure all these laws exist already somewhere on the planet but it seems that where one or two silly laws may exist somewhere, they are all enacted here! Of course miller didnt create all these dumb laws... but as i said he has definitely made things a lot worse.
There is always a "good reason" why a law is passed. But microcontrolling every single factor and behaviour on the planet is not possible no matter how many crazy laws we pass. And you may be ok with a society like that, but i am certainly not.
As for the facebook page. Im sure its moderated by a 3rd party but i am also sure the mayor reads it when he can. Having discussions there certainly could do a lot more than having them here.
I commend the mayor for having the facebook page and having the democracy of both praise and dissent on his page. I am also on his side in this strike although the way he has handled it leaves a lot to be desired. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
don't with my water supply buddy! |
Yours? Last i checked it was mine as well ;) |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The decline of toronto is very telling. |
watch out everyone, we're gonna be the next detroit or buffalo! brace yourselves! |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
In case you havnt figured out, as usual i am not talking about this one law specifically but the combination of all of them together. When i mention a particular law, its one more grain of sand on an overflowing pile. ... |
I'm well aware of what you *think* you're doing. you seem to *think* that you're continuously supporting your larger position that the state is unduly controlling individual behaviour more and more as time goes on, particularly when it should be focusing on "macro" issues.
that's fine. many people (including myself) would agree with your overall point. we are indeed seeing more and more 'micro' type bylaws coming into effect and it's all the more painful to see this happen while much larger issues remain unaddressed.
but that does not excuse a lack of factual support (or outright false information provided) when discussing specific examples (like these water issues). you also need to take into account WHY the status quo is what it is instead of just dismissing it.
it doesn't take much to sit back and say "I don't agree with restricting lawn watering and car washing at home" or "this is just another example of us being wrongfully micromanaged by the city".
it requires a little more effort to expand upon that with a coherent argument, based upon factual premises, and then hopefully proposing an alternative solution to whatever the alleged problem is.
a bit of logical reasoning would go a LONG way if your intent is to sway people to your position or to convince people that they ought to not be standing idly by while more and more restrictions are put into place.
peppering the mayor's facebook profile with feedback and posting flawed arguments on a forum is hardly what I'd call becoming "politically engaged". if you feel as strongly as you say you do about the state of our city/province/country, I wonder why you don't put in a wee bit more time to at least present tighter arguments here or perhaps even become more actively involved in changing the status quo. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Yours? Last i checked it was mine as well ;) |
well if it's ours and this is a democratic country more people voted and want you not to just randomly pour down the ing drain and into lakes and rivers. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
Maybe you ought to run in some level of politics. This country needs someone with integrity.... |
lol. |
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| Sentinal |
^^^^
and common sense.......i forgot to add |
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