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So the strike may be over (pg. 2)
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| Orko |
People are talking about the city saving cash from a month of not paying these workers. What about the amount they are going to have to pay in over time to get the city cleaned up in some kind of orderly timeline?
If the workers are alloted 40hr/week to clean their regular routes. Do you think they will work harder for that 40 hours, or just get over time to clean the extra mess?
I foresee this costing more in the end. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
People are talking about the city saving cash from a month of not paying these workers. What about the amount they are going to have to pay in over time to get the city cleaned up in some kind of orderly timeline?
If the workers are alloted 40hr/week to clean their regular routes. Do you think they will work harder for that 40 hours, or just get over time to clean the extra mess?
I foresee this costing more in the end. |
The city will higher a private company to clean up the mess :D |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
Jay, I am really surprised that you were so slow to know this. |
He had to wait for AM640 to give him his opinion... who in turn had to wait for the CPC daily update;) |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
He had to wait for AM640 to give him his opinion... who in turn had to wait for the CPC daily update;) |
come on. you really think am640 is pro-conservative? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
come on. you really think am640 is pro-conservative? |
In it's news, no; in it's opinion, yes. No question Oakley has always been right of centre but he's way right now... which I don't mind at all; however, very rarely will you hear any real discussion on anything that is potentially damaging to the CPC or PCs on that show contrasted with whole hours for days on end about the Ruby Dhala/nanny thing... I listened to Oakley for years but his lack of balance erroded his integrity such that I finally had to switch morning shows. Stafford is a good example too... he used to be clearly and definately in the political centre but has taken a decidedly right turn in the past two years. I'm not sure if they still use it in their advertising but they were going so far as to brand themselves as delivering "opinion with a right hook," which seems more likely a referrence to politics then to boxing and routinely introducing a guest as their "loud-mouthed, left-lib lawyer" friend. Of course they do have two good pinkos in Dick Smyth and John Downs but Dick gives a 2 minute rant every morning and Comrade Downs is relegated to 1 hour on Saturdays or filling in when somebodies off.... not exactly balanced. , I forgot Adler... they don't come more right of centre then him.
Note; I don't find there to be any problem with catering to one side of the political spectrum when it comes to talk stations... that's just good business as that's the easiest way to build an audience (pander to what they want to hear)... but you'd have to be devoid of any reason to believe that the station shows no bias (again - in it's opinion shows, not in its news). |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
In it's news, no; in it's opinion, yes. No question Oakley has always been right of centre but he's way right now... which I don't mind at all; however, very rarely will you hear any real discussion on anything that is potentially damaging to the CPC or PCs on that show contrasted with whole hours for days on end about the Ruby Dhala/nanny thing... I listened to Oakley for years but his lack of balance erroded his integrity such that I finally had to switch morning shows. Stafford is a good example too... he used to be clearly and definately in the political centre but has taken a decidedly right turn in the past two years. I'm not sure if they still use it in their advertising but they were going so far as to brand themselves as delivering "opinion with a right hook," which seems more likely a referrence to politics then to boxing and routinely introducing a guest as their "loud-mouthed, left-lib lawyer" friend. Of course they do have two good pinkos in Dick Smyth and John Downs but Dick gives a 2 minute rant every morning and Comrade Downs is relegated to 1 hour on Saturdays or filling in when somebodies off.... not exactly balanced. , I forgot Adler... they don't come more right of centre then him.
Note; I don't find there to be any problem with catering to one side of the political spectrum when it comes to talk stations... that's just good business as that's the easiest way to build an audience (pander to what they want to hear)... but you'd have to be devoid of any reason to believe that the station shows no bias (again - in it's opinion shows, not in its news). |
I dont think being pro conservative in Toronto is pandering to the audience. Toronto is the most leftist leaning part of the country. I lived in Alberta for 5 years so I can tell you there is a real difference in the political values from here to there. But your right. (pardon the pun) In the talk shows it is fairly conservative views. I havent listened in a while as I mostly listen to am1050 now. There should be some more vaired views in the media in Toronto.
The CBC, CTV, Toronto Star, and Toronto Sun to a lesser degree, are ALL pro liberal. Toronto Star especially. I won't accept that paper for free..... |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
Jay, I am really surprised that you were so slow to know this.
I had a water contractor at my house yesterday at 9am and he had word over the cb that the strike was over. Details to be released later today.
I make that a full 15 hours after me.... you're slacking ;);) |
LOL i knew at about 10 am. Just didnt bother with TA all day :) |
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| Jayx1 |
So the mayor did cave... what a douche! Just think of all the extra money they will get with overtime..
Toronto is such a joke...
| quote: | Jennifer Lewington and Brodie Fenlon
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail Last updated on Tuesday, Jul. 28, 2009 09:23AM EDT
The City of Toronto's current unionized employees will have the option to keep their controversial banked sick days, but new hires will be denied the perk under the terms of a tentative deal workers are expected to vote on tomorrow, The Globe and Mail has learned.
Sources say the potential agreement is three years long – not four as Mayor David Miller and the city proposed publicly earlier in the dispute – and includes pay raises of 6 per cent over three years, slightly more than an earlier public offer, which proposed a 4-per-cent bump in its first three years.
If ratified by workers on Wednesday and city council on Friday, the deal would end the longest strike in Toronto's history, a dispute that shut down garbage collection, city-owned daycares, swimming pools, ferries and a host of other public services. Workers could be back on the job as early as Friday, and services are expected to resume over the following week so long as the deal is approved.
The details obtained by The Globe make it apparent the tentative deal is more generous than the public offer Mr. Miller trumpeted July 10, on the 19th day of the strike.
But the terms of the proposals remained officially under wraps yesterday, leaving Mr. Miller and the leaders of CUPE Locals 79 and 416 to paint starkly different assessments of what each side achieved.
“The agreement was within the mandate of [council's] employee and labour relations committee and it met the city's bargaining goals,” Mr. Miller said, citing a framework for bargaining that had the broad support of councillors across the political spectrum.
“It will allow us to effectively and efficiently deliver public services into the future.”
Mark Ferguson, the president of CUPE Local 416, which represents outside workers, cast the deal in a different light when he announced his union's tentative deal early yesterday.
“I am so proud of my members for holding the line,” he said, praising the rank and file for giving the bargaining committee the support to “fight back all of the concessions the city sought from us.”
The workers' sick-day plan proved a significant stumbling block in negotiations. Under the current contract, workers can bank up to 18 sick days a year and cash them out at retirement.
By denying that option to new hires, the city has capped an unfunded liability that would cost $250-million in the worst-case scenario as older workers cash out unused sick days when they resign or retire.
The tentative agreement reached yesterday would give existing workers several options to cash out their accumulated sick-day benefits by a certain date, as city staff switch over to a new short-term disability plan.
The city moved non-union employees to a short-term disability plan two years ago.
Like Mr. Ferguson, Local 79 president Ann Dembinski, who represents inside workers, declined to discuss the terms of the deal. She seemed less cheerful about the outcome than Mr. Ferguson, saying bargaining had soured her union's relationship with the municipal government.
“All I will say is this is a deal my membership will be happy with,” she added.
Even though almost 1,000 CUPE members had crossed the picket lines during the strike as of last week, Ms. Dembinski said she was not under pressure to come to hasty terms.
Given how long the strike dragged on, some members of council questioned why council couldn't meet earlier than Friday – the day before the August long weekend and the Caribana parade – so that workers could be back on the job earlier.
“Friday needs to happen Wednesday,” said Councillor Michael Thompson (Ward 37, Scarborough Centre).
A spokesman for Mr. Miller said the meeting needs to be called with 24 hours' notice, after the results of the union vote are released.
Without knowing the full details of the deal, some councillors said they were not ready to endorse it yet.
“There is a huge hole to fill [in the city budget] next year and affordability is an ongoing concern,” said Councillor Karen Stintz (Ward 16, Eglinton-Lawrence). “There are still several members of council that do question if the settlement is affordable.”
At his news conference yesterday, Mr. Miller would only say the deal is in line with recent public-sector contracts.
Earlier this month, the Liquor Control Board of Ontario and its union agreed to a wage package of 7.75 per cent over four years, the same as for provincial government employees.
Last week, Windsor and its CUPE locals agreed to 6.3 per cent over four years, with some lump-sum payments, ending a 101-day strike.
City manager Joe Pennachetti is expected to release more details later this week about when and how municipal services will resume.
Temporary garbage dumps in city parks will stay open for a few more days, but Mr. Miller urged residents to try to hold onto their garbage to avoid stretching the coming cleanup effort.
City officials refused to name a date for a return to regular pickup of garbage and recycling, but next week is a likely start.
Mr. Miller said the city is working on some kind of rebate on garbage user fees, but, once again ruled out a property-tax rebate or break next year.
“This strike was a difficult period for Toronto,” Mr. Miller said. “We now must focus on moving forward,” he added, thanking Torontonians for their “patience and understanding.”
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sentinal
I dont think being pro conservative in Toronto is pandering to the audience. Toronto is the most leftist leaning part of the country. |
My money is on Vancouver for most left leaning; however, when I speak of the audience I mean their audience... talk radio audiences are overwhelmingly right of centre... in the US more then 90% of talk radio time is hard right. The audience they are trying to capture is the audience that the CBC and music stations don't capture... that audience is overwhelmingly right of centre.
| quote: | There should be some more vaired views in the media in Toronto.
The CBC, CTV, Toronto Star, and Toronto Sun to a lesser degree, are ALL pro liberal. Toronto Star especially. I won't accept that paper for free..... |
I agree completely on the CBC and Star, I view CTV as being pretty even for the most part, and the Sun is definately right of centre... honestly; Lorie Goldstein, Christina Blizzard, John Snobbleton, Michael Coren (who I love and hate all at the same time), Monte Solberg... their coloumnists looks like a CPC convention. Of course the NP is right wing, as is Canstar Global... in all there is lots of variance of views in the media... what I find unfortunate is that so few are balanced; in order to get balance you have to go to multiple sources. |
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| Prometheus Xex |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
If you don't claim sick days, you lose them. Which is the way it should be...
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Then they will find creative ways to use them up, that's inevitable. It would still be like having 3 work weeks extra of holidays. I mean realistically how many ppl actually need 18 sick days outside of special cases? I work in a store fixture company and NOBODY out of 16 ppl takes more than a couple of days a year. How the can you have dealt in 18 total days to begin with? |
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| kotsy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Toronto is such a joke... |
why do you still live here? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by kotsy
why do you still live here? |
Why do you?????
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