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Check it in mono! (pg. 2)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Sure, but the difference between mono and stereo is the difference between a drawing with black and white, and a drawing with color. I am sure most of my tracks work in mono, as I rarely pan sounds. But If I am working to make it mono compatiable, , then widness and phasors go out the window. So does PingPong Delay and most of the reverb. I might aswell make a dry track right?
This is interesting, I never knew clubs played mono, maby that has to do with why I find modern EDM atrocious. How long have studios been doing mono setups? |
Eliminating phasing issues in a stereo track does NOT mean eliminating all stereo effects.
Using your lame-ass photo analogy, there are plenty of crisp, beautiful colour photos that still look good if you desaturate them and look at them in grayscale. Sometimes it's even done deliberately to create a specific effect.
And the word is spelled MAYBE goddamnit. Use a spell check! |
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| Subtle |
I wont check my tracks in mono.. i just dont wanna know.
But seems like a good idea though, might consider doing it on future productions.
I doubt this can be such a big problem, never heard about a track not working in a club because it sounds in mono, ever. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
I wont check my tracks in mono.. i just dont wanna know. |
At least you're honest about it. That's most likely what crono is really thinking but doesn't have the balls to admit.
I often don't bother checking my tunes in mono because I don't necessarily expect them to get played out much. |
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| sixofour.604 |
I don't think "they might sound " in Mono..I know they will. But thats not a con. That's not a negative thing. Because they will sound in mono by design. I'm not trying to fit my tracks into a niche.
Diginut why all the hostility, everyone in this thread, including me, and you, said the same thing. Chill out. |
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| derail |
I check almost every song I do in mono (and really quiet, as well), just to make sure I can still hear everything.
Having it come through decently in mono doesn't mean it's going to sound bad in stereo. Not at all. You take this nice sounding mono track, open it back out to stereo, and it sounds even better. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Diginut why all the hostility, everyone in this thread, including me, and you, said the same thing. Chill out. |
Don't start. You said something blatantly wrong - that testing (and adjusting, if necessary) a track in mono is equivalent to using no panning and removing all stereo effects. I corrected you, so that no unsuspecting readers would read what you wrote and actually act on it.
If you want to propagate your too-good-for-clubs image as if anyone cares, fine. Most people here would like their tunes to be played out, even if they don't expect it frequently. |
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| wrzonance |
Quit quoting him DigiNut :mad:
The ignore feature is useless when you do this :whip:
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Checking in mono is good. But I make songs for fun, so I don't worry about phase too much.
But when I work for clients (as small as my client base is...) I am anal about checking mono compatibility. Listening to it at low volumes, on crap speakers, on big systems, on little systems.
I think the point should be: Add mono-checking to your normal mixdown routines. |
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| mfitterer1 |
This is just one step in the end process off finishing a track for me. I will also play it on 3 or 4 different systems, at 3 different levels. Some of these systems focus more on bass, some more on treble, so it's a nice reference to see what may make the track sound better on all systems. The mono check is pretty important. Although I don't do it all the time I do render to mono in certain spots. Mainly when any one element is taking up a big percentage of the track.
Cron; why would you not want your tracks to receive maximal attention? Do you have that little pride to not care about seeing your hard work turn into fruition and enjoyment by others? |
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| Cryogen |
| quote: | Originally posted by the-sixth
Can you recommend plugins that you could perhaps use inside the DAW on the master bus without having to bounce it out? |
In Logic there's a plug called Multimeter which is a spectrum analyzer and a correlation meter. The correlation meter ranges from +1 to -1.
+1 means the left and right channels correlate 100%.
0 means the track is a wide as possible without causing problems when run on mono systems.
Any negative number will create problems on mono systems.
Ideally you want to as near to 0 as possible.
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| sixofour.604 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Don't start. You said something blatantly wrong - that testing (and adjusting, if necessary) a track in mono is equivalent to using no panning and removing all stereo effects. I corrected you, so that no unsuspecting readers would read what you wrote and actually act on it.
If you want to propagate your too-good-for-clubs image as if anyone cares, fine. Most people here would like their tunes to be played out, even if they don't expect it frequently. |
Except no one said test the tracks in mono, he said make the tracks in mono, ie. the final mixdown is mono only, for the sake of club system compatiability. Making the track mono compatiable DOES directly translate to "no unison, no panning, no use of the stereo field" So you can have bland dry tracks with heavy concern about being severaly limited by mono..or you can just say all and make them stereo.
Do you listen to anything? No, because your a ing moron.
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Cron; why would you not want your tracks to receive maximal attention? Do you have that little pride to not care about seeing your hard work turn into fruition and enjoyment by others? |
Because I don't care about attention? When I release a track, I tell about 5 or 6 people. I throw it up on tindeck, and maby my myspace. Then I move on. I'm done with that track.
What is the merit in being famous or having recognition? I say there isn't an ounce of merit in it. But that is me. Unlike the entier EDM scene, I make muisc because I enjoy it, not because I want money or fame.
If I wanted to be famous, Id just copy deadmau5. :p |
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| Tarpex |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Except no one said test the tracks in mono, he said make the tracks in mono, ie. the final mixdown is mono only, for the sake of club system compatiability.
Do you listen to anything? No, because your a ing moron. |
Shenanigans I tell you!
Did you even read my whole post? The whole point of it was to tell people to CHECK their mixes in mono, not to make the whole ing track in mono, that's retarded.
I gave you some tips that most of the headliners of the industry never will from my goodwill and you turned it into a big craphole. Thing is, if you do your mixes in good stereo AND ensure mono compatibility, you'll rock the place wherever your tunes are played, if you're not into having your tunes played anywhere, that's fine, I know I never will.
To make tracks in mono is retardation, which you exemplary provided, I had enough experience in high-grade production & mastering that I know what works and what doesn't on the dancefloor, perhaps you should do yourself a favor and listen to those few that still post on TA despite their status in the industry (deadmau5 stopped posting quite a while ago, don't let all the others besides Airwave do the same thing).
I tried to shed some light into something a lot of people miss, some of the industry "well kept secrets" if you want to name it so, and all I got was flaming from a ing nobody, good job there mate ;) |
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| sixofour.604 |
Yeah, I might aswell check that my tracks sound like Tiesto too.
Have you ever listen to delay or reverb or anything in mono? It sounds like 98% of the time. The atmosphear is 50% of the track. Even if you sat and made sure most of the elements work in mono, whats the point if the track isn't going to be 100%?
You have a track, it has massive phase, and wide ass delay, but its horrible in mono.... You would ruin the track just to make it club compatiable?
Also, beside all that, has anyone here relized that 90% of the people who have posted, said they don't care wether its checked in mono or not? It sounds like to me your "secret advice" wasn't very useful, even without me posting, showing you why.
As for those "nobodies" Everyone on TA is a nobody. Even people like Deadmau5 are nobody, when compared to the rest of the world of music. Musicians don't sit on forums or on the internet all day, arguing with morons like diginut and dj rann. |
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