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| Tarpex |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Yeah, I might aswell check that my tracks sound like Tiesto too.
Have you ever listen to delay or reverb or anything in mono? It sounds like 98% of the time. The atmosphear is 50% of the track. Even if you sat and made sure most of the elements work in mono, whats the point if the track isn't going to be 100%?
You have a track, it has massive phase, and wide ass delay, but its horrible in mono.... You would ruin the track just to make it club compatiable?
Also, beside all that, has anyone here relized that 90% of the people who have posted, said they don't care wether its checked in mono or not? It sounds like to me your "secret advice" wasn't very useful, even without me posting, showing you why. |
No, I wouldn't ruin a track, I'd just make it COMPATIBLE for club usage. Actually, I listen to reverbs and everything in actual clubs plenty of times :) It doesn't sound horrible in mono if you know what to do, to which I gave good pointers, yet if that's escaping people, I can't help much.
As for your last comment, I frankly don't care if people don't have the intention of ever getting onto dancefloors in clubs, I'm just trying to help those that want to, and I guess that wouldn't be 90% of the people, the only one that was negative about it was you.
Suggestion; Have a friend you know that dj's in a club, play some of your tracks, you might be interested in the outcome then.
Cheers :) |
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| sixofour.604 |
| I didn't have any problem. Diginut did, and he decided to troll, he is a known troll afterall. He could have just shut the up and not said anything, but you know, people like him love to talk, and hate to listen. |
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| johncannons1 |
what about massive festivals with the stage at the front ?
would they be able to have stereo as everyone is standing in the middle faceing the front. so you could hear the effects of panning and things? do they do this?
i remember listening at a festival i was at some months ago and i thought i heard sounds moving from left to right..
(i was fair wasted so it could have just been that )
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| sixofour.604 |
Orchestras are the same way. They don't even have speakers often times :P but they also don't have panning or direction or anything else to take advantage of.
For your questions, probably not, but this is also the same reason why club music is only fun to hear...in a club. On a home system or headphones, however, they often sound like . This is one of the things I think contributing to the tyness in general of EDM today. You can make good muisc, or you can make club music. |
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| Sonic_c |
hmm so my tracks will be crap in the clubs? do all Big trance producers do this?
I have got some stuff being supported soon by some pretty big names i dont want to be embarrassed? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
You have a track, it has massive phase, and wide ass delay, but its horrible in mono.... You would ruin the track just to make it club compatiable? |
You're still not getting it, and it's for the same damn reason, that you incessantly overestimate and overstate your own [lack of] ability.
A track can have a very wide stereo field and be drowned in delay and reverb and still sound just fine in mono. Sort of like how your precious Fruityloops can make [inefficient] use of two processor cores, but still runs fine on just one.
| quote: | Originally posted by sixofour.604
Orchestras are the same way. They don't even have speakers often times :P but they also don't have panning or direction or anything else to take advantage of. |
No, actually, wrong again. First of all, orchestras have an intrinsic panning of instruments because of the placement. Second, having several players play in unison (but with timing that's not perfect to the millisecond) is similar to another very common stereo effect - chorus. Third, the hall that an orchestra plays in is a natural reverb. I could go on, but honestly, I can't believe I even had to explain this much.
Do you ever shut up? |
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| PutBoy |
I just did check one of my tunes in mono (Hotel Chaplin in my sig).
The trumpet, which is the lead, was weak as all f**k. Tt's panned and reverberated and has some massive amounts of stereo seperation and ping-pong delay (plus it's bussed to a send channel which contains pretty much the same stuff). And it's compressed like mad.
Thing is, this is what gives it it's character, so how do I fix it so it sounds good in mono but still sounds about the same in stereo I wonder? |
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| kadomony |
| quote: | Originally posted by PutBoy
I just did check one of my tunes in mono (Hotel Chaplin in my sig).
The trumpet, which is the lead, was weak as all f**k. Tt's panned and reverberated and has some massive amounts of stereo seperation and ping-pong delay (plus it's bussed to a send channel which contains pretty much the same stuff). And it's compressed like mad.
Thing is, this is what gives it it's character, so how do I fix it so it sounds good in mono but still sounds about the same in stereo I wonder? |
try changing your stereo offset slightly. even a few ms can shift the amount of phased frequencies and give you a more mono-compatible sound. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
try changing your stereo offset slightly. even a few ms can shift the amount of phased frequencies and give you a more mono-compatible sound. |
What he said. Or change the actual delay; If it's sync'ed to the MIDI clock, you can bounce the delay as a wet effect and physically move it over a tiny bit (a few samples, or maybe a few ms, it depends). Generally it'll sound exactly the same in stereo, but you won't get phase cancellation in mono.
TBH, maybe I'm kind of biased now that you wrote this, but I listened to the track and the trumpet sounds a bit weak on my cans to begin with. I mean it's clear, it sounds good and seems to be in the right place in the mix, it's just lacking presence. Did you maybe EQ it a lot, like doing a complete bass cut? |
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| Lolo |
Well regardless on how it sounds, when making dance music, I tend to respect these rules, although some may break them, they come from a vinyl mastering company back in 1998:
1°) The kick is always center-panned, so is the low part of the bass.
2°) Stereo fx such as delays, reverb, etc, shouldn't be panned at more than 66% Left or Right.
When respecting those rules, many say they get better results on cutting and at clubs, too.
Actually, I don't care about reverb because it's lush and will drop in volume in mono anyway. But for everything else, I tried and tested it, and obviously it works. It makes things a little bit tiny though.
I got much better results by using dry soundsources without fx. Unison lovers beware, many synths outphase the sound. Keep it as mono as possible, then eventually spread the hi freqs with some spreader fx on a bus. What many usually do is send the track to a bus, put a high cut, then a spreader. A subtle combination of both channels guarantees mono-compatibility.
Don't forget that most vintage synths were mono anyway. |
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