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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
As far as I know, as much as we need to make changes in the system, nobody leaves this country to get health care |
100% false. Thousands of people leave the US every year for what is now called medical tourism.
http://health.usnews.com/articles/h...ing-abroad.html |
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| The17sss |
those are mostly people who have no hope left and are basically terminal. If you're talking about the few that fly to India or China for certain surgeries they can't pay for here, you can't even remotely think they have the same quality of care and skill that we have here. The best doctors and medical schools in the world are here. Desperate people will take chances, but for the most part, people are luckier than they know to be in this system. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
those are mostly people who have no hope left and are basically terminal. If you're talking about the few that fly to India or China for certain surgeries they can't pay for here, you can't even remotely think they have the same quality of care and skill that we have here. The best doctors and medical schools in the world are here. Desperate people will take chances, but for the most part, people are luckier than they know to be in this system. |
This is patently false. There is university in India, IIT, which is the MIT of India, and it is a top rated WORLD university in tech. Why is it that they can't have the same quality of education there? Or Thailand. Or Singapore. This thought that the US is the ing god of health education, is so stupid. Yes, we are top notch, but we are not the only top notch educating country.
The key difference between the US and the rest of the world, is we harbor and pay for LOTS of R&D. That doesn't translate into better healthcare necessarily. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
This is patently false. There is university in India, IIT, which is the MIT of India, and it is a top rated WORLD university in tech. Why is it that they can't have the same quality of education there? Or Thailand. Or Singapore. This thought that the US is the ing god of health education, is so stupid. Yes, we are top notch, but we are not the only top notch educating country.
The key difference between the US and the rest of the world, is we harbor and pay for LOTS of R&D. That doesn't translate into better healthcare necessarily. |
Haha... dude, there are more top notch medical universities in the Baltimore-New York-Boston corridor than all of India combined, and they have 4 times our population. So, fantastic... they have the IIT there. I bet half of their graduates move to the U.S. anywy. Innovation and R&D breakthroughs that affect the rest of the world are HUGE in the U.S. Again, other countries pale in comparison in that arena. They benifit greatly from our system. Slap universal coverage on us, and lowering incentive will kill those breakthroughs. Watch the video I posted man. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Haha... dude, there are more top notch medical universities in the Baltimore-New York-Boston corridor than all of India combined, and they have 4 times our population. So, fantastic... they have the IIT there. I bet half of their graduates move to the U.S. anywy. Innovation and R&D breakthroughs that affect the rest of the world are HUGE in the U.S. Again, other countries pale in comparison in that arena. They benifit greatly from our system. Slap universal coverage on us, and lowering incentive will kill those breakthroughs. Watch the video I posted man. |
Like I said, the US fosters massive R&D labs, but unless the majority of the population is near NYU, Johns-Hopkins, or Harvard, they don't benefit from it unless it is out of experimental. Which by that time, it is available to the world.
Going to a universal healthcare system won't kill that. Universities will still do research, which is where the majority of it is done. That doesn't change under universal healthcare. Hospitals don't do research. That 20/20 thing is so biased it is unreal.
Watch this instead: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...aroundtheworld/
In Japan, where Toshiba is one of the largest manufacturers of MRI machines is headquartered and based, they created a machine that does just as much at a fraction of the cost. Now the whole world uses those same machines. This was born out of this "rationing" of funds. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Hospitals don't do research.
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You're talking about in the states, right? |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You're talking about in the states, right? |
I meant stand alone hospitals, not the university hospitals. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Did you miss what I was asking? This is for things we can learn from systems OUTSIDE the US. Not talking about what it currently is. The End. |
In all honesty, you're question didn't even make sense. I answered it as if you were asking whether companies pay into an employer insurance program. |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
nobody leaves this country to get health care |
lol not true. I knew more than a few immigrants & more than a few go back home for healthcare. |
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| squirrelly |
lol OK Ben! Like you really thought that debate wasn't gonna happen! :p
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and before I grounded myself here in Fl, I WAS considering leaving the country for healthcare and education reasons. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
I meant stand alone hospitals, not the university hospitals. |
Yes, but in the US? Because there are plenty of hospitals here that are research hospitals. Sick Kids, for one. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
lol OK Ben! Like you really thought that debate wasn't gonna happen! :p
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and before I grounded myself here in Fl, I WAS considering leaving the country for healthcare and education reasons. |
I expected it.
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Yes, but in the US? Because there are plenty of hospitals here that are research hospitals. Sick Kids, for one. |
We have a few too, but most do not, but yes in the US.
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
In all honesty, you're question didn't even make sense. I answered it as if you were asking whether companies pay into an employer insurance program. |
Re-read my original post regarding that. I said OUTSIDE the US. /end |
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