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creationism vs evolution (pg. 19)
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
If species evolve, then it would stand to reason that out of the billions of species on this planet, at least ONE of them would be found to exist in a half-way state. A fish with legs, a small rodent with a dorsal fin, etc.
Then again, maybe we already have those half-way critters. Like the platypus.
What confuses me is something like the whale. Wouldn't any of the half-way whale species have simply gone extinct in their "almost there" forms? How would a creature living on land eventually mutate into a whale, without the entire genetic line dying at the point where the creature can not function on land, or in the water? |
I saw a documentary on hippos that each year took their young to a beach in Gabon. Other animals (elephants++) also went there, but they went for some washed up pods that they ate. anyhoo, none of the hippos ate those pods, they just went to stand in the water and noone knows why, but some believe it is evolution in-the-making. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
I saw a documentary on hippos that each year took their young to a beach in Gabon. Other animals (elephants++) also went there, but they went for some washed up pods that they ate. anyhoo, none of the hippos ate those pods, they just went to stand in the water and noone knows why, but some believe it is evolution in-the-making. |
Isn't that akin to committing the same mistake that Atheists accuse religious people of making?
"We don't know, so it must be evolution." sounds very much the same as "We don't know, so it must be God." from where I'm sitting. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Isn't that akin to committing the same mistake that Atheists accuse religious people of making?
"We don't know, so it must be evolution." sounds very much the same as "We don't know, so it must be God." from where I'm sitting. |
let me rephrase. there is no apparent reason why the hippos are going great distances to a beach to stand in the water (salt water) when they have perfectly good fresh water ponds to swim in, other than that they are trying to (hmm.. cant find the right word.. ) get used to salt water, so that they one day may be able to live in it.
if that makes any sense. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
let me rephrase. there is no apparent reason why the hippos are going great distances to a beach to stand in the water (salt water) when they have perfectly good fresh water ponds to swim in, other than that they are trying to (hmm.. cant find the right word.. ) get used to salt water, so that they one day may be able to live in it.
if that makes any sense. |
Or maybe the salt helps keep their pores clean and kill off any fresh-water parasites. What options have scientists run down? Is there a list somewhere? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
This is true.. but your speaking on a grand scale of things. And mammals are whales lol. I'm sure that was just a typo. anyways, he have been able to manually manipulate the features of dogs significantly to the point where they barely even look like their true form (the grey wolf). Think about what nature could do to organisms over an even longer extended period of time. |
I said dog-like mammal. We have been able to manipulate dogs, but we have not been able to create an animal we wouldn't consider a dog. I don't care how long of time they have, a dog will always give birth to a dog.
| quote: | | Remnant bones have been found in whales which are clssified as femurs (rear upper legs) and are remainder for what is presumed to be a walking land mammal. Whales also have lungs and require air to respire. |
Cockroaches take s just like us. Doesn't mean we evolved from them.
| quote: | | I still dont have a conclusive argument from your side. What form of intelligent design do you speak of? What time frame am i dealing with? |
I'm giving you very conclusive arguments but it seems like you'r just rejecting my arguments out of hands. Where's you scientific objectivity? |
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| Sunsnail |
yea thats an awful example karim
i mean alfi |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
LOL. Noone has seen it, seeing as this is something that happens over a period of time longer than any living beings timespan. Guess we'll just have to invent a way to translate the thoughts of rocks and trees and ask them. |
Have you seen a dog give birth to anything other than a dog?
| quote: | | Do you really believe in ID or are you just taking the piss? |
LOL, hell no. I'm just playing devil's advocate since there are no creationists around. I graduated from a fundamentalist Christian school so I know the creationist's arguments very well. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Have you seen a dog give birth to anything other than a dog? |
I'm pretty sure that chihuahuas are rodents. |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Or maybe the salt helps keep their pores clean and kill off any fresh-water parasites. What options have scientists run down? Is there a list somewhere? |
That might be, i didn't say that it necessarily was "evolution in the making", but this is most likely how whales came to existence when they went back into the oceans.
Anyhoo, Im too drunk to reason properly right now, but I'll see if I can find the name of that documentary. It was pretty interesting, even if you believe in evolution or not. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
Hahaha i love this now 10 vs 1.. or maybe 2 i can't decide whos team sunsail is on.
Don't get me on semantics here ill kill you all i dont care about your gods.
Let me review that video and i will answer all your questions |
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| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
yea thats an awful example karim
i mean alfi |
haha you. it would be alot better if i just knew how to put the words in my head into words on my computer. |
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