Originally posted by *****
breakbeat is based off of hip hop so is house imo but Trance is not.
actually you are wrong. Breakbeat and hip hop came about very much at the same time, however hip hop as we know it is a later invention. Early hip hop is simply battle DJs going at breakbeats [hence the name 'hip hop' meaning the hip sounds of hopping between the records].
House differs from breakbeat in it's baseline structure, although the do share 4-4 time [house is 1,2,3,4, where breakbeat is 1,2,3and4]. Breakbeats as an origin draw off of funk and soul, house does so through disco, where disco shares funk and soul as an ancestor.
Trance itself is an offshoot of early techno, which has it's roots based in house. The structure of trance is identical to house as they're both in the simple one bassline hit per beat in 4-4 time, the notable difference being the relative speed of trance to house in their BPMs [and of course the weak sappy-ness of the trance melodies...haha].
NickT
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Originally posted by Sly_Guy
actually you are wrong. Breakbeat and hip hop came about very much at the same time, however hip hop as we know it is a later invention. Early hip hop is simply battle DJs going at breakbeats [hence the name 'hip hop' meaning the hip sounds of hopping between the records].
I hope that was a joke or i must be way off
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Originally posted by Sly_Guy
House differs from breakbeat in it's baseline structure, although the do share 4-4 time [house is 1,2,3,4, where breakbeat is 1,2,3and4].
yeah the drums patterns are different i already noticed that every style of music has something distinct about it usually with the drums
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Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Breakbeats as an origin draw off of funk and soul, house does so through disco, where disco shares funk and soul as an ancestor.].
breakbeats go further than that but technology changed what breakbeats are
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Originally posted by Sly_Guy
Trance itself is an offshoot of early techno, which has it's roots based in house. The structure of trance is identical to house as they're both in the simple one bassline hit per beat in 4-4 time, the notable difference being the relative speed of trance to house in their BPMs [and of course the weak sappy-ness of the trance melodies...haha].
it cant be the same if its different, just because it shares the 4x4 doesnt make it the same
I believe Techno creators acknowledge & cite Kraftwerk as inspiration
House comes more from Disco imo
Trance not so much it has different origins imo
Trance does share something common with Techno other than the music similarities take a wild guess what it is :crazy:
VERTiG0
Tiesto and Three Six Mafia
Music has reached its peak right here, folks. It doesn't get any better than this.
NickT
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Originally posted by VERTiG0
Tiesto and Three Six Mafia
Music has reached its peak right here, folks. It doesn't get any better than this.
I always knew Tiesto was your guys hero I understand why Vertigo thinks we have reached the musical peak since hes from the Netherlands This is like Dutch music history
snak3st
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Originally posted by activate
um.. believe it or not, I happen to know Afrika Bambaataa. I've brought him to Toronto 3 times and done 3 Canadian tours with him... driving across Ontario and Quebec. The stories he has are amazing!
Planet Rock sampled Kraftwerk "trans-europe express".
Planet Rock is most definitely not dance music.. The Hip Hop movement then was about dancing and b-boying.. still doesn't make in dance music in the sense the way that you know it.
Planet rock is most definitely hip hop. Hip hop in those days didn't have a specific sound. it borrowed from elements of funk, disco, rock among other genres. What people consider urban music now, didn't even exist in 1982. Planet Rock spawned electro funk, miami bass, freestyle among other genres, not to mention pushing hip hop into the mainstream.
Planet Rock also samples from another Kraftwerk track,"Numbers".
:) Such an awesome tune
DigiNut
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Originally posted by *****
Post proof someone has sampled Trance music & put it with hip hop rnb or funk b4 me
Ah, changing your argument now, eh? First it was "EDM", now it's specifically trance music. The thread was about electronic music in general, not trance specifically.
Anyway, you're still wrong.
Trance didn't even really exist before the mid-'90s so obviously it's impossible to find Ferry-style tracks from that era with booty lyrics or beats. But before old-school dance/party music splintered off into Euro and Trance sects, it incorporated a load of both hip hop elements and elements that would later be incorporated into trance:
Or how about one that sounds suspiciously like trance - pure 4/4 beat, offbeat bassline, standard classical chord progression, and yet somehow manages to be full of rap lyrics AND hints of disco:
And on the other side of the fence, more recent R&B/Hip-Hop with trance elements (actual mashup):
Lots of tracks back then even incorporated reggae elements... but I'll spare you those because they're even cheesier than the old school pre-euro dance.
As for funk, well, house WAS funk in the beginning, and there was very little differentiation between trance and house in the early '90s. I was going say "Rhythm is a Dancer", but I'm sure you'll find something wrong with that example, so how about something more recent:
Honestly, listen to just about ANY dance music from the 1990s, almost every track is clearly influenced by disco, funk, or hip hop. Especially hip hop - rap music was such a crazy fad in the '90s that it was incorporated into almost everything. The divergences of trance/euro from those genres is actually a new phenomenon - so if anything, what you're trying to do is more retro than progressive.
You can't win this, so don't even try.
v-vaughn
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Originally posted by Invasionmix
Dude, you talk so much and when we all told you that CroAddict was ***** you almost yourself and your face was priceless. Ask anyone at that hookah night. You're the coward.
:stongue: lol
Sentinal
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Originally posted by Invasionmix
Dude, you talk so much and when we all told you that CroAddict was ***** you almost yourself and your face was priceless. Ask anyone at that hookah night. You're the coward.
Ya cause Cro-addict is like 6 foot 6 and build like a brickhouse. you would yourself too. and do you see me not coming to events or posting information about myself. whatever talking to you is useless. your posting is soley to just try and piss me off. Frankly im too busy to care anymore vince.
The Ear
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Originally posted by *****
I always knew Tiesto was your guys hero I understand why Vertigo thinks we have reached the musical peak since hes from the Netherlands This is like Dutch music history
Wow. You really must be extremely mentally deficient to miss the obvious sarcasm there. Which, in turn, renders you an even bigger joke.
All hail the retarded cat rapist. The feline Boltok. The gerbil rumper. The kitten pumper...
*****
Really. What the hell is wrong with you? (other than clearly being a special education failure)
So, what's next? Are you going to claim to have invented the internet? (Al Gore beat you to that one by the way) Perhaps you will claim to have been the pioneer of the blackberry. Oh hey, I know, why don't you try to lay claim to being the first person to come up with the idea of cheese. I'm sure everyone will believe that!
Sentinal
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Originally posted by *****
I always knew Tiesto was your guys hero I understand why Vertigo thinks we have reached the musical peak since hes from the Netherlands This is like Dutch music history
you see? its comments like these that you know will spark contreversy b/c you KNOW there are a lot of ppl on here that would disagree with your assumptions, especially since nobody knows you personally.
I would go as far to say that your posts always seem to railway conversations revolving around your theories and opinions, while EVERYONE else tries to disprove them. The fact that you have no profile pic, no known attendance to either EDM or TA social events, and put an abundent amount of effert into keeping your real identity anonymous, can be very intimidating and quite annoying. That coupled with the fact that there a number of threads in the past few weeks that you have completely taken over with your comments.
I'm trying to be as nice as I possibly can be because truthfully your posts have an uncanny ability to frustrate me, and I'm assuming a number of other people. But I don't want to come off as an at the same time. But dude seriously, maybe your social skills are just poor, maybe you get a kick from all this, I don't know. But if you really want ppl to stop bashing you and making fun of you, try being involved in a conversation without trying to direct it.
The Ear
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Originally posted by Sentinal
But I don't want to come off as an ...
Well I do.
***** please be sure to off as promptly, quietly, and permanently as is humanly possible with the boundaries of physics.
You are truly a waste of skin, food, water, oxygen, and space in terms of the collective frame of reference of nearly all on this forum. I sincerely hope that you either stop posting or that some sort of horrible affliction befalls your ability to operate any form of interface with this board. Just in case you haven't clued in yet (which would be ridiculously unlikely that you actually have), you are a joke here, nearly no one (I would say nobody but I haven't checked with everyone yet) wants to hear any of the crap you have to say, the pathetic attempts you call music, or interact with anything else that originates any any point in any way with you.
As for your pet raping, I have contacted the appropriate authorities. They assured me that they will attempt to track you down.
You really do sicken me to my very core.
jchung52
lol.. woke up, read this thread, and now goign back to bed cuz my head hurts
