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Street racing cases may get thrown out after Ont. law ruled unconstitutional (pg. 3)
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| DeleteFromUsers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Euphorica
we have some of the most well paved and straight highways anywhere.
spd is NOT the problem at all. its a stupid cash grab bs law. |
The Autobahn is approx 100%-200% thicker than 400-series highways we have in Ontario. Haven driven on the Autobahn, I can tell you it is immaculate. The Germans spend a lot of cash per km to keep it in such impressive condition.
1/3rd of the Autobahn has static speed limits (between 80 and 130km/h) while the rest has dynamic speed limits based on bad weather or night time conditions.
130km/h is ALWAYS the recommended speed limit on the Autobahn and if you get into an accident going faster, there are very significant penalties.
German laws prohibit the use of cars in poor mechanical condition, and indeed even poor cosmetic condition.
The Autobahnpolizei have photo radar which has been widely endorsed by the German court as being legal. A very sticky bunch.
Most importantly, on the Autobahn, people EXPECT you to be driving at 180km/h. In Canada, they DO NOT. If you hang out in the left lane of the Autobahn at less than 130km/h, you very seriously run the risk of being hit from behind - no joke. People drive at 110km/h in the left lane of the 401 all the g-d time!
So anyway, not like the Autobahn. Not at all. |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
The Autobahn is approx 100%-200% thicker than 400-series highways we have in Ontario. Haven driven on the Autobahn, I can tell you it is immaculate. The Germans spend a lot of cash per km to keep it in such impressive condition.
1/3rd of the Autobahn has static speed limits (between 80 and 130km/h) while the rest has dynamic speed limits based on bad weather or night time conditions.
130km/h is ALWAYS the recommended speed limit on the Autobahn and if you get into an accident going faster, there are very significant penalties.
German laws prohibit the use of cars in poor mechanical condition, and indeed even poor cosmetic condition.
The Autobahnpolizei have photo radar which has been widely endorsed by the German court as being legal. A very sticky bunch.
Most importantly, on the Autobahn, people EXPECT you to be driving at 180km/h. In Canada, they DO NOT. If you hang out in the left lane of the Autobahn at less than 130km/h, you very seriously run the risk of being hit from behind - no joke. People drive at 110km/h in the left lane of the 401 all the g-d time!
So anyway, not like the Autobahn. Not at all. |
When I was on the Autobahnn EVERYONE in the left hand lane moves out of your way if they are moving slower than you. I would never trust anyone in Ontario driving at 160+ KM/H just because nobody has enough experience. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
agreed
the only 2 highways that are realistically not suitable for high speed are dvp and gardiner. |
You need at least 6 lanes (three each way) for high speed highways to work....I'm sorry but none of the highways in Canada are suitable for high speed travel. The road conditions, the number of vehicles and the weather conditions are all things that will not allow Canada to have any sort of highway system like Germany |
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| Pett |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Gardiner I would say 120.
Pretty much every freeway in Ontario is underposted by 20-30 kph. |
yikes no way, you would see an increase in accidents due to the lack of shoulders |
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| PurpleHaze |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
You need at least 6 lanes (three each way) for high speed highways to work....I'm sorry but none of the highways in Canada are suitable for high speed travel. The road conditions, the number of vehicles and the weather conditions are all things that will not allow Canada to have any sort of highway system like Germany |
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road conditions plays a MAJOR factor on what speeds can be *safely* attainable and held. try hitting a pot hole doing 180km/h :nervous: |
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| activate |
| I'm for the law... if 49 kms/h over the speed limit is still too slow for you, you're a ing idiot and shouldn't be driving. |
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| petro |
| quote: | Originally posted by activate
I'm for the law... if 49 kms/h over the speed limit is still too slow for you, you're a ing idiot and shouldn't be driving. |
It's pretty easy to turn out 150-160kmph on a decent car when passing on the highway, not to mention the more high-end cars where a jump from 120 to 150+ is barely noticeable. Rarely anyone who breaches this threshold continues going at a 150kmph+ speed, or is doing it for the purpose of "racing". For the sake of not being redundant, as mentioned above by some, doing 150 is simply speeding, and shouldn't result in losing your vehicle lol.
It's really shocking to see how carried away the government can get when it comes to a particular problem in society - media and politicians playing a vital role in this. The "racing" demographic in Canada is minuscule compared to the rest of the driving population. Using such a law is the equivalent to using a blunt instrument that sees out to punish the whole driving population of Ontario in order to deal with a small group of people that street race. Under judicial review in any superior court, using the Oakes test, its simple to see how such a law can be seen as unconstitutional. |
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| OrZonE |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
EVERYONE in the left hand lane moves out of your way if they are moving slower than you. |
This is the way it's done everywhere but Ontario where people seem to believe that left lane is the cruising lane. In fact, as much as it pains me to say this it is often easier to pass people on the right. |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
You need at least 6 lanes (three each way) for high speed highways to work....I'm sorry but none of the highways in Canada are suitable for high speed travel. The road conditions, the number of vehicles and the weather conditions are all things that will not allow Canada to have any sort of highway system like Germany |
obviously we will never be able to have the same roads as they do in germany but what i'm proposing is to have at least 120km/h posted limit on 400 series highways or to at least make the left lane 120 while have the other ones remain at a 100. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
1/3rd of the Autobahn has static speed limits (between 80 and 130km/h) while the rest has dynamic speed limits based on bad weather or night time conditions. |
I haven't driven on it myself, but my understanding was that the "advisory" speed limit of 130 kph is based on the 85th percentile rule (with the average speed being just slightly above 130 kph in normal conditions).
While I don't doubt for a second that it's far better maintained than the 401, the 401 and other 400-series highways used to be posted at the 85th percentile, which was around 120 kph - likely reflecting its somewhat lower safety than some others. Now they underpost by 20 kph, which is more like the 30th percentile. And then they tell us that the majority of accidents involve at least one speeding car. Well, no , 70% of motorists are driving above the speed limit in good conditions.
Other problems that we link with Toronto or drivers being less well "trained" - such as slow driving in the passing line, or in your words, the "expectation" that others will be driving 180 - are actually partially caused by the speed limits themselves. When there is no posted limit, you generally do what everybody else is doing. When there is a posted limit, two things happen: (a) idiots will assume that it's the correct speed to drive, and (b) aggressive drivers will ignore speed limits when they really are necessary.
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
You need at least 6 lanes (three each way) for high speed highways to work....I'm sorry but none of the highways in Canada are suitable for high speed travel. The road conditions, the number of vehicles and the weather conditions are all things that will not allow Canada to have any sort of highway system like Germany |
I think the disconnect here is in the definition of "high speed". I agree that no Ontario highways are truly suitable for "high speed" like the Autobahn - as in a 130 kph average speed and 150+ kph for passing. However, I've never seen the tiniest shred of evidence to prove that the reduction from 120 to 100 kph has prevented any collisions (and I'm fairly certain that the rate has actually gone up). |
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| geroin |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
However, I've never seen the tiniest shred of evidence to prove that the reduction from 120 to 100 kph has prevented any collisions (and I'm fairly certain that the rate has actually gone up). |
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| haqq |
| quote: | Originally posted by love_child
When I was on the Autobahnn EVERYONE in the left hand lane moves out of your way if they are moving slower than you. I would never trust anyone in Ontario driving at 160+ KM/H just because nobody has enough experience. |
And to add the avg car on the HWY is a beat up Corollo/Civic.
Autobahn has the fined German engineering *drools* |
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