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Do you ever get the urge to just throw in the towel? (pg. 6)
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| meriter |
| your personal favorites aren't made with Live 8 man |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
your personal favorites aren't made with Live 8 man |
I am not even sure how to reply to this. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
While I am going to say congrats for getting your first release that is far from success. Your attitude towards your music is good; keep at it, but you've always been an arrogant twat and that continues in this post thinking because you got a release that you've now realized success. As far as i'm concerned there is no such thing as success; and people shouldn't think in the mindset of success/failure; it will just bring bad things to you. Keep working, keep expressing yourself, and whatever else happens doesn't matter. |
Give me raw examples of "arrogance", or dig yourself back into your hole, because everything i've read from you could be wrapped in toilet paper, and you sound a bit disgruntled i've achieved something perhaps out of your reach?
And you have a rather ignorant outlook about success, I cant help you there. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
I might lose some people with this but here goes..
Alright so at some point I was shown that all musicians are alchemists. The same goes for artists of any kind. No music or art has ever been "created" it is only translated or transmuted. If you take that into consideration, the music you listen to and react to plays a huge role in what you end up with in the studio, whether you're aware of that fact or not. Humans are very good at reacting to their environment. Being a good song-writer is not exactly something you have to consciously strive for.
Finding music you love and really resonate with is what's ultimately important. That's where the learning occurs. I highly recommend people find music they enjoy from all eras. We have to know where we've come from in order to get an idea of where we're going. The good stuff from the 70's-80's played a huge part in my musical development and I have my parents to thank for that. It seems that what musicians were subjected to as children usually always comes out as an adult long after those songs are forgotten.
Writing music is about reacting to your influences, and that also means everything in your environment, not just music. The more you pull from the more colors you'll have on your pallet to work with. I see a lot of artists unintentionally or unknowingly separating their personal lives from their art when in reality they should be embracing them as intimately connected. Musicians are simply translators of their environment, with varying degrees of honesty and intensity. What you allow into your daily life, the experiences you subject yourself to.. play a huge part in the "creative" (translative) process, whether you're aware of it or not. You'll see these same concepts projected across the board in all facets of the human experience. It's essentially microcosmic evolution.
Getting those movements of nature and relationships from one form into another is where the technical skill comes in, and the right alchemical tools. It seems most musicians I've come across in my life are amazing song-writers with very limited technical ability/resources or dishonest and disconnected imitators with amazing technical skill. In those cases it's a matter of getting your head and heart aligned in order to express your experiences more accurately.
I'm not sure if this will help anyone but I think anyone involved with music would do well to take in as much as they can. Go back to the classic rock era and the progressive rock that followed suit. You can steal so much from those guys and put it into your work and people will think you're awesome and innovative. |
It looks like you've been taking some notes, I'd love to hear how this is translating through your music. Any good examples? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
your personal favorites aren't made with Live 8 man |
How expensive does the equipment and DAW have to be to allow a person to make good music? What will I need to buy to take the next step up? Will Logic be required, or will Cubase suffice? Will an Andromeda suffice, or shall I seek out a vintage analog poly like a Jupiter 8? |
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| alanzo |
| I couldn't possibly. It's in my blood.. it's a large part of how I define myself. If I'm not working on music, learning, having fun, I'm not living. It's as simple as that. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Success for me is making tunes that I think can stand alongside my personal favorites, regardless of whether anyone wants to sign them or whatever. The source of my despair is still being nowhere near that, at least in my own mind.
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But at least you know you are and can hopefully progress further everyday towards your goal. The worst is when someone thinks their music is as great as the best out there, but in reality is total crap. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I couldn't possibly. It's in my blood.. it's a large part of how I define myself. If I'm not working on music, learning, having fun, I'm not living. It's as simple as that. |
Yep same way I feel.
It can get annoying at times but I never have considered stopping, it just wouldn't feel right.
When I have a hard way at work, or am stressed, or just feel like being alone and losing myself, music has always been there for me. I love it, I enjoy it, I just could never picture my life w/out it.
And I'm not sure why people even have to think about is as "quitting"?
If its bothering you, just stop now. And if you get the urge in the future com back. But quitting all together just seems a bit extreme.. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Yep same way I feel.
It can get annoying at times but I never have considered stopping, it just wouldn't feel right.
When I have a hard way at work, or am stressed, or just feel like being alone and losing myself, music has always been there for me. I love it, I enjoy it, I just could never picture my life w/out it.
And I'm not sure why people even have to think about is as "quitting"?
If its bothering you, just stop now. And if you get the urge in the future com back. But quitting all together just seems a bit extreme.. |
you are constantly posting threads sayig you're thinking of quitting and how annoying you find it because you can never make good songs... :conf: :conf: |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Success for me is making tunes that I think can stand alongside my personal favorites, regardless of whether anyone wants to sign them or whatever. The source of my despair is still being nowhere near that, at least in my own mind.
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I guarantee that many top producers, in their own minds, despair at not being able to create some of the things other top producers create. Maybe their music has functional pad sounds, which work really well in the mix and leave space for their lead sounds to shine. And for listeners, this may sound fantastic. But the producer may despair when he listens to another producer's lush pad sounds and knows he can't create them at this point in time.
It's good to have an awareness of one's shortcomings, to know what you can work on and improve.
Be aware of what you're trying to create - every song is a compromise. If a functional pad sound works great in your current song, don't compare it to a song which has a lush, massive pad and feel you need to compete with that.
One thing's for sure - there is only one YOU. Nobody's going to be better at making YOUR music than you. BT doesn't worry that his kicks aren't as hard as Sean Tyas'. BT makes his own music his own way.
...this post ended up as a bit of a disorganised ramble, sorry about that... |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
BT doesn't worry that his kicks aren't as hard as Sean Tyas'. BT makes his own music his own way.
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Agreed. When you are a modern day music legend, I don't think you have much to worry about, although I don't think HE thinks of himself in that way. |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
you are constantly posting threads sayig you're thinking of quitting and how annoying you find it because you can never make good songs... :conf: :conf: |
He has had a few meltdowns, of the "I've tried EVERYTHING and I KNOW it isn't me, I KNOW that other producers have expensive tools which give them that sound, it CAN'T be done in software, I 100% guarantee it" variety. |
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