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Against musical incest (pg. 3)
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
How do musical influences "not even matter one bit" when you go to MySpace and search for trance and hear people trying to make exact replicas of Sean Tyas and Armin a thousand times over?
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Because they don't. Why would I really care all that much who influenced the producer if the end product is a good track? It makes no difference at the end of the day if the end product is good.
As for Anjuna, that's an untrue statement. There's plenty of good producers on there who make very good tracks. At least on that forum people actually make tracks as opposed to here where people just spend all day arguing and telling Crono what a moron he is. I mean I don't mind that but come on, we're getting a bit hypocritical here. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Because they don't. Why would I really care all that much who influenced the producer if the end product is a good track? It makes no difference at the end of the day if the end product is good. |
Yeah, but the end product is very rarely anything more than mediocre and derivative if the producer spends all his listening time in a narrow range of music. That is my experience at least. Doesn't imply that broad listening means automatic great music, but it certainly can't hurt.
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Because they don't. Why would I really care all that much who influenced the producer if the end product is a good track? It makes no difference at the end of the day if the end product is good.
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People are unconsciously trying to recreate what has pleased them in the past. If you had never listened to music in the past, you wouldn't be able to make anything. If you had only listened to one genre, you would only have one kind of reference and would only be able to recreate ideas from that one genre.
The more musical ideas you have, the better you can express your ideas and feelings. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
If you had never listened to music in the past, you wouldn't be able to make anything |
What? :wtf: |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
What? :wtf: |
i think he's referring to a point of reference to compare notes.
also i agree that compared to other forums ta does lack that unity,look what happend to deadmou5 :wtf: |
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| palm |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
i think he's referring to a point of reference to compare notes.
also i agree that compared to other forums ta does lack that unity,look what happend to deadmou5 :wtf: |
what happened? |
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| Richard Butler |
Born in 1967, from a very young age I only liked electronic music, and hated guitars, brass etc.
I've mellowed a bit, but I still find the sound of guitars and brass mostly depressing, with a few exceptions.
I instinctevly dislike traditional instruments from year dot, and have never met anyone else like me in this regard.
Brass instruments set my ears on edge and sound utterly depressing no matter WHO played them and how good they are/were.
Wierd really. |
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| floyd741 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I still find the sound of guitars mostly depressing
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White Sand (DJ Shah's Original Mix) - Sunlounger
otherwise, who needs guitars anyway? |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Because they don't. Why would I really care all that much who influenced the producer if the end product is a good track? It makes no difference at the end of the day if the end product is good. |
True, and agreed, but I think you're missing the point. We're not focusing on the exceptions, we're just saying those influences generally create producers who make generic music 90% of the time. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What happens to a music scene when producers become like political partisans, so blinkered that they can see good only in their own little niche?
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I know exactly what you're talking about and I experience this just about every time I post a non-trance (e.g., house, chillout, etc.)song on a trance or EDM forum nowadays. The criticisms I get pretty much always come across as "make it sound like Above & Beyond, otherwise, it sounds dated". The Anjunabeats forum is by far the worst place for this - I don't mean this to sound offensive, but I don't think anybody on that forum listens to anything other than the same old ultra-stale uplifting trance sound with the same incredibly boring and unoriginal sound (ever heard of a bass line that isn't "rolling", people?!!!). The last few house tracks I've posted over there are perfect examples - many of the comments I got can essentially be boiled down to "make it sound more aggressive and original" - it's like they have absolutely no clue that house songs aren't about "drive", they're more about "feel" and "groove" and, in the case of my tracks, about the vocals, not the synths.
Now, granted, it's a forum run by and dominated by people who either are, or wish they could be, A&B, so I guess it's to be expected. But, it's incredibly ironic to read the comments over there - anything that attempts to sound almost exactly like A&B (but, usually lacking anything resembling a melody like A&B are renowned for) will be greeted with ridiculous praise over how incredible the track is and how fresh and original the sound is. But, anything that doesn't try to sound exactly like A&B will often be critiqued as not being very original, sounding dated, cheesy, etc. So, there's definitely a severe case of musical inbreeding there in my observations.
But, overall it's a good forum with some great folks who really get along and are willing to share ideas, comments, etc., so it's hard to be too harsh on them. And, for every negative and off-base comment you see, you see many more positive and on-base comments. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
but I don't think anybody on that forum listens to anything other than the same old ultra-stale uplifting trance sound with the same incredibly boring and unoriginal sound (ever heard of a bass line that isn't "rolling", people?!!!). The last few house tracks I've posted over there are perfect examples - many of the comments I got can essentially be boiled down to "make it sound more aggressive and original" - it's like they have absolutely no clue that house songs aren't about "drive", they're more about "feel" and "groove" and, in the case of my tracks, about the vocals, not the synths. |
You're stereotyping and yet at the same time making some good points. I would know, I'm one of the top posters over there :stongue:
It's a forum that's built around a certain sound so it's understandable but it's not like all of us listen to just that sound. |
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