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Templates (pg. 4)
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| Nightshift |
| I think the program used can play a big part in whether templates are used or not. I use Ableton and the only thing i have templated is a Kick channel with an empty Simpler, and a midi clip on it loaded with the 4x4, 2 sends with reverbs on them (one small, one big), and an EQ on the main rolling off low lows and high highs that take up unnecessary space. Ableton is very tuned to drag-n-drop so its very easy to just open the program and go in seconds. FL is pretty much the same way, but for Reason, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, etc. I can understand the reasoning for more advanced templating. |
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| cryophonik |
| I've noticed that a lot of people don't use busses, but for those of us who do (I use a LOT of busses in my tracks), it's much easier to start with a template that already has a good basic setup. Same thing goes for track folders/groups - I like to keep my projects clean and easy to navigate, so having some structure (i.e., in the form of Drum, Bass, Synths, Vocals, Guitars, etc. folders) for my tracks in advance helps out tremendously there. Also, I like to have a lot of control over my drums, including having every pad of my drum VSTs (Battery, Maschine) routed to its own audio track, and each of those tracks routed to a drum and/or percussion buss(es) (depends on the template). That can get pretty tedious and you have the potential to accidentally route two pads to the same audio track, or route one of the audio tracks to the wrong buss (or directly to the soundcard, bypassing the busses/master), etc. Using a template that is already set up correctly simply minimizes the potential for that error and saves a lot of time. It doesn't lock me into anything - I'm free to change them at any point in the song creation and I usually do. This is particulalry true for busses. |
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| RichieV |
| I those regards it makes sense. But the people that mentioned how they load specific synths and what have you makes it seem like tin pan alley. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
I've noticed that a lot of people don't use busses, |
I use busses...
...to get to school! :haha:
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| Nightshift |
| But in all seriousness what DAve says does make snse. |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
I don't use a template for any song because that's how you get into the habit of making everything you finish sound the same. |
+2
I rarely use the same synths / samples in different projects. Also making busses/routing channels is fast, so don't really need templates for that either.
For making an album templates make a lot more sense. But if you make different types of tracks based on your mood (chill, trance, house, dnb, etc.), it's imo better to not have templates. Otherwise you'll just end spending more time removing/changing them. |
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| mfitterer1 |
God I feel so ing stupid.
Definitely going to spend tomorrow setting up a template because I see it's costing me a ton of my production time at the moment; and i'm already short on that in the first place. |
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| d_Verge |
I tried the template thing out for a bit, but I kept changing everything.
I think it may be interesting, as an experiment, to limit yourself to a template that uses the same synth patches/drum kits/samples/fx for an EP to see how different the tracks turn out. Of course you'd be able to tweak everything, but I think sometimes limiting yourself can lead to a sort of forced creativity. |
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| cryophonik |
Here are screenshots of two of my Sonar templates. Both of them are showing the combined width of the views in both of my monitors. In these examples, the track and buss views are on the lefthand side, and the Console (mixer) view is on the righthand side.
The first one is my "Normal with Maschine" template that I use when starting a lot of my new projects. As you can see, it has a blank instance of Maschine inserted and ready to go with all pads routed to their own audio track, and each audio track routed to the Drums buss. I can expand or collapse the entire instrument with one mouse click or keystroke - very convenient. My most common busses are already inserted and routed and I have a few blank effects plugins already inserted as send effects on busses. My metronome is set up the way I want it for this type of project and is easily adjustable because it's routed to its own buss for quickly muting/unmuting, changing the level or panning, etc. I have a Master buss set up (far righthand side of the Busses section in the Console view and at the bottom of the Busses section in the Busses view) - all tracks or busses get routed through that before going to the Master output section (far righthand side of image). This master buss has a limiter on it set at -0.1/-0.1dB to catch any peaks and my room compensation EQ that I turn off/on as needed. As you can see, there's nothing here that would adversely affect my creativity - it's just a good starting point that literally saves me a half-hour or so every time I start a new project. I have several other similar templates set up with different drum plugins, a few synths in place, etc.
The second template here is the one that I use for tracking vocals. It's much simpler because it only has two tracks to start with: one for the guide track that the singer sings along with, and the initial vocal track. I always have the singer sing to a guide track, rather than the full project, so I can keep the latency at a minimum (critical for her headphone monitoring. I also have fewer and some different busses set up. My metronome setup is usually different for tracking vocals. The reverb/delay are only used for monitoring because singers usually want a little of both IME, and I have the effects set up as sends from the Vocals buss, rather than individual tracks, so that I only need to change them from one point (i.e., the buss), rather than on each vocal track when necessary. And, most importantly, my microphone input is already assigned to my mic pre, everything is routed through busses and out to the master buss output to my headphone distribution amp, and all levels are already roughed in, so it's nearly ready to go as soon as I open a new project and import the guide track. That saves me 15-20 minutes each recording session and minimizes trouble-shooting.
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Here are screenshots of two of my Sonar templates. |
Look I have to give Sonar a try. |
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| Energy_3 |
this was a good read thanks guys. Definitely something im going to consider once I become more familiar with Logic..,
thanks |
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| meriter |
What happened to the pics Cryo?
For my setup it would be an enormous PITA to configure everything for each new project |
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