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yay! cure for teh aids! (pg. 8)
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| Renzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Yeah, I know a guy who has the herps and he was open with chicks about it, and ALSO that he didn't like wearing condoms...and chicks would STILL him. . |
You leave Will out of this. |
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| zoogla |
| i just threw up in my mouth a little |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
congratz....
analyzing statistic results from such unstable testobjects as humans in big groups isnt exactly high school material, bitch, this has very little to do with math u imbecile, the results might have been exactly the same if everyone was given the placebo because the testobjects lived the way they did during the test period. its not possible to conclude anything at all with these number as i said before.
whats funny about the test though, is that it was to get some more info about one type of HIV/aids (i dont ing know the difference and i dont care), the type that was showing itself mostly on heterosexuals during the early 90s. they gays are going to hell anyway so why waste money on them? what they really want to find out is if theres one gay-HIV/aids and one straight-HIV/aids and by that focus on studying the straight-HIV/aids, forgeting about the gay-HIV/aids. Now THATS news imo :stongue: |
LOL!
Idiot.
WHOOOOOOOSH! |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
if germany won the second world war wed had the cure for aids long time ago beacuse in the naziregime this kind of science where not a problem lol. |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
whats funny about the test though, is that it was to get some more info about one type of HIV/aids (i dont ing know the difference and i dont care), the type that was showing itself mostly on heterosexuals during the early 90s. they gays are going to hell anyway so why waste money on them? what they really want to find out is if theres one gay-HIV/aids and one straight-HIV/aids and by that focus on studying the straight-HIV/aids, forgeting about the gay-HIV/aids. Now THATS news imo :stongue: |
Are you seriously this retarded or are you being a really good troll? Christ on a bike :wtf:
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
a vaccine isn't a cure. |
Well it is actually if measured over a longer period of time. |
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| Sushipunk |
Answer my question, please Fledz?
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Ok, so I didn't read any of this thread, nor do I know about the AIDS vaccine.
So it's in the human testing phase in Thailand, right?
How the does that work? They vaccinate a bunch of people, and then try to give them AIDS to see if they get it or not? :wtf:
Obviously, I'm horribly ignorant regarding this... |
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| Fledz |
I haven't read up much on it but they most likely monitor a population at high risk of contracting HIV due to numerous factors, vaccinate a certain number of them and compare those patients to the normal patients that have not been vaccinated.
The numbers may not be great but any reduction in infections that is seen as clinically significant and therefore not related to any swing in variation or outside factors is a step in the right direction. It allows scientists to then analyse the data and pinpoint exactly what in the vaccine worked, extract it and refine it to produce an even more effective vaccine. So on and on they go until the maximum effect is achieved while having minimum or acceptable if you will levels of side effects.
EDIT - Just thought of something. They may also look at patients that are already infected with HIV but whether the vaccine prevents or slows down the development of AIDS. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I haven't read up much on it but they most likely monitor a population at high risk of contracting HIV due to numerous factors, vaccinate a certain number of them and compare those patients to the normal patients that have not been vaccinated.
The numbers may not be great but any reduction in infections that is seen as clinically significant and therefore not related to any swing in variation or outside factors is a step in the right direction. It allows scientists to then analyse the data and pinpoint exactly what in the vaccine worked, extract it and refine it to produce an even more effective vaccine. So on and on they go until the maximum effect is achieved while having minimum or acceptable if you will levels of side effects.
EDIT - Just thought of something. They may also look at patients that are already infected with HIV but whether the vaccine prevents or slows down the development of AIDS. |
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| Spam |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Fledz Well it is actually if measured over a longer period of time. |
No.
vac⋅cine
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1. any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production.
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Prevention =/= Cure |
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| Fledz |
So if we find a vaccine which 100% prevents infection from HIV, in 50 years time when everyone who was infected with it dies and therefore the strain no longer exists, is it cured? Yes it is.
Good try but think a bit deeper next time. |
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| Meat187 |
But let's get the numbers right:
When from the control group 74/8000 patients got sick we can say that the chance to get AIDS was p1 = 0.925%. Now the important question to ask is whether this probability and it's variance alone can explain how only 51 people in the vaccine group where infected. If it can the vaccine is proven to have no effect.
The probability that only 51 or less people get AIDS - given p1 - can be calculated (I won't give the details here, unless someone asks) to be 0.29% which lies well below the significance level. So the results are indeed meaningful. When only 51 people got sick we get p2=0.6375%.
Therefore the vaccine reduces the chance to get an infection by (p1-p2)/p1 = 31%.
So much for the math. I don't know how or whether the study was correctly conducted but I felt this needed to be explained. |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
So if we find a vaccine which 100% prevents infection from HIV, in 50 years time when everyone who was infected with it dies and therefore the strain no longer exists, is it cured? Yes it is.
Good try but think a bit deeper next time. |
No you're wrong |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
No you're wrong |
Wow thank you for your extremely excellent and well thought out argument. How will I live with myself after such a thorough explanation of your viewpoint? :rolleyes:
Let me clarify something while I'm already posting. I'm just waiting for someone to bust out the "Oh but what if it mutates and then the vaccine no longer works?" line. Well in that case you have to redefine exactly what the word "cure" means. Technically it doesn't exist then because every single organism in existance has the ability to change and affect how anything else in the world interacts with it. In that case, a cure doesn't exist for anything. |
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