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McGimpy's Liberals are suing tobacco companies for $50 Billion (pg. 2)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
That's what it will lead to....the government passes some new Act and then recover health costs.....basically all but essential services could be recouped. Hell, they will probably pass a You Got Your Women Preggers Damages and Health Care Costs Recovery Act. |
And people get all excited when i point out that we are becoming more communist daily. |
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| patpicos |
if the gov was really interested in reducing the medical costs related to smoking, they would make it illegal... (thats what id do)
by allowing the sale of cigarrettes, the government is an accomplice and should sue itself. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by devnull
if the gov was really interested in reducing the medical costs related to smoking, they would make it illegal... (thats what id do)
by allowing the sale of cigarrettes, the government is an accomplice and should sue itself. |
Because prohibition has worked so well in the past..
Yeah right! |
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| daves |
Ignoring your usual politicking... what would you say is the best way to handle the whole smoking/health situation?
Let's assume we abandon the concept of suing big daddy tobacco... let's also assume we abandon taxation of cigarettes. So smoking is still legal, the government is not profiting off of it, and are not trying to suck out the tobacco corp's profits.
What would you then do about the matter of lung cancer/COPD/other health situations that have been connected to smoking, and the resulting costs on the health system? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
Ignoring your usual politicking... what would you say is the best way to handle the whole smoking/health situation?
Let's assume we abandon the concept of suing big daddy tobacco... let's also assume we abandon taxation of cigarettes. So smoking is still legal, the government is not profiting off of it, and are not trying to suck out the tobacco corp's profits.
What would you then do about the matter of lung cancer/COPD/other health situations that have been connected to smoking, and the resulting costs on the health system? |
you either have universal health care where there is no picking and choosing who gets coverage or you go private health care where insurance companies pick and choose who gets coverage and what kind of coverage. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Akermanis
More sensationalist bull. This has been done in numerous provinces as part of a nation-wide strategy against tobacco and lung cancer... it has very little do with the Liberals, McGuinty or their platform.
Go troll people on a newspaper website or something ffs. |
Just for the sake of being against him is it...
I'm with Jay on this one...
It's completely retarded... |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Better yet... quit using public health care as a crutch to control society. |
LOL I can't agree more. Everytime I go to the hospital they brainwash me to be a commie left wing freak. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
LOL I can't agree more. Everytime I go to the hospital they brainwash me to be a commie left wing freak. |
LOL. :)
As for private vs public, what's so wrong with both?
I have no problem with public healthcare whatsoever...I'd rather have that then incredible choice with little or no coverage (as is the case with some in the states I think) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
Ignoring your usual politicking... what would you say is the best way to handle the whole smoking/health situation?
Let's assume we abandon the concept of suing big daddy tobacco... let's also assume we abandon taxation of cigarettes. So smoking is still legal, the government is not profiting off of it, and are not trying to suck out the tobacco corp's profits.
What would you then do about the matter of lung cancer/COPD/other health situations that have been connected to smoking, and the resulting costs on the health system? |
First we need to restructure health care and make it a private/public system like it is in 99% of the modern world. This would take a huge strain off the public system. Note that we already have a quasi version of this everytime OHIP pays for a patient to be flown to the USA. This will make the system more efficient and probably save $$
Second, if someone smokes in a system that is supposed to be universal, then they smoke and we take care of them. Just as we all have own own devices good or bad. Its just that smokers happen to be the sexy scape goat de jour. If you get sick from it, you get sick from it. Just like a fat man gets sick from too many twinkies or a skier breaks his leg.
For the record. I dont think that there should be NO taxes on cigs. But the taxation should be fair. When they lowered the taxes in Ontario in the 90s due to black markets (similar to what is happening now) the tax revenue actually went UP!! But i guess McGimpy knows better!
The point is you cannot target smoking or else you have to target everything that can potentially make people sick. And then what? 1984 thats what. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
you either have universal health care where there is no picking and choosing who gets coverage or you go private health care where insurance companies pick and choose who gets coverage and what kind of coverage. |
Huh? What about Europe. Socialists always love to use them as an example. EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in Europe has a private/public system.
The only countries in the world with a full public healthcare system are Canada Cuba and North Korea.
I would argue that even here in Canada its already a mixed system. DO you go to a walk in clinic? Doctor's office, or even shouldice for surgery? All (gasp) private for profit enterprises that are funded by OHIP. Ever wanted to be upgraded to a semi private or private room in any hospital? Want cable tv at the hospital? Looking to get eye care? Better have private insurance!! |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Huh? What about Europe. Socialists always love to use them as an example. EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in Europe has a private/public system.
The only countries in the world with a full public healthcare system are Canada Cuba and North Korea.
I would argue that even here in Canada its already a mixed system. DO you go to a walk in clinic? Doctor's office, or even shouldice for surgery? All (gasp) private for profit enterprises that are funded by OHIP. Ever wanted to be upgraded to a semi private or private room in any hospital? Want cable tv at the hospital? Looking to get eye care? Better have private insurance!! |
I am all for a two tier system of health care, but if you are going to have universal healthcare then you can't say we will pay for people who kill their liver with alcohol but won't pay for those that kill their lungs with cigarettes. |
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| oldschool420 |
LOL this is ridiculous. What a waste of taxpayer money to try and sue the tobacco companies. The only people who will profit from this are the lawyers. There is no way this will hold up in court considering the government profits so much from tobacco sales.
If they decided not to spend that money to offset the cost of healthcare for smokers then that's the governments problem. The money is there to offset it, so use it! |
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