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do djs hire song writers?
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| LoveHate |
do djs hire song writers?
i know the swedish house mafia hired deborah cox to write leave the world behind, she also sang it
so im assuming other djs do this aswell?
how much credit does the song writer get?
specially from sales and stuff
i take it if your an up and coming guy it would be hard to do this.
i write all of my songs so i bet alot of em do to.
but i take it usually someone is hired. |
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| vikernes |
Check out this dude: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhjs3847_116fv88xcdf
Almost everything he wrote was a hit.
For example; Cosmic Gate - Not Enough Time - they said in an interview that they sent the track to Emma and she recorded the vocals and sent it back to them. Basically, that's how it goes. That's why you see the "featuring" text next to the title. The vocals are entirely singers', i.e. the singer comes up with the vocal melody, the lyrics, harmony, etc...
They also mentioned in an interview that for Sign of Times they didn't "fish out", they chose the best and sent i only to them. Which leads me to believe that sometimes these big guys send the same track to more singers and then just choose the best out of what they send back.
edit: I don't know about the money. Someone else might have this info. But I just remembered watching an ATB video where some Canadian singer says she "harassed" him on myspace until he finally agreed to make a track for him. I'm guessing, that the singers are more than happy to do everything (vocal related) when it comes to a big star DJ. I.e. I'm pretty sure that noname Canadian singer didn't get a lot of money for that track, if any. |
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| Eric J |
I'll tell you how we did it recently. We found a really talented singer (through TA, actually) and asked her if she would work with us. She agreed and we wrote a "framework" track for her and sent it over to her by email. Our framework track was the complete arrangement without the bells and whistles, and she wrote the lyrics and vocal melody. She recorded the vocals (with the help of a fantastic guy here on TA) and sent the track back to us.
Ironically our framework track was full on trance, but we ended up rewriting the track in a progressive house style after we got the vocals back because it suited her vocals better on that particular track.
As far as money, we didnt really talk about it too much because were not big enough to be making lots of cash, but if we do make money we'll likely split it with her 50/50. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| So essentially a release these days with a vocalist is netting you only a 25% profit? And in remixes even less? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
So essentially a release these days with a vocalist is netting you only a 25% profit? And in remixes even less? |
I don't expect a release to make me any profit. I didn't make any money in 2001 when I had my first release, and I don't expect to make any now. I didn't start making music to make money. There are very few artists who can sell enough units to make a profit. If you want to make money in this business you need to be concentrating on DJing, merchandising and licensing. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
So essentially a release these days with a vocalist is netting you only a 25% profit? And in remixes even less? |
most people would just pay the musician the union rate and leave it at that. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I don't expect a release to make me any profit. I didn't make any money in 2001 when I had my first release, and I don't expect to make any now. I didn't start making music to make money. There are very few artists who can sell enough units to make a profit. If you want to make money in this business you need to be concentrating on DJing, merchandising and licensing. |
i can't believe everybody in this forum doesn't realise this yet... :confused:
well put though, as usual, eric! :) |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I don't expect a release to make me any profit. I didn't make any money in 2001 when I had my first release, and I don't expect to make any now. I didn't start making music to make money. There are very few artists who can sell enough units to make a profit. If you want to make money in this business you need to be concentrating on DJing, merchandising and licensing. |
hint: find good labels.
hint 2: avoid toxic online only labels that get regular no play from DJs
hint 3: have higher standards and ideals |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
hint: find good labels.
hint 2: avoid toxic online only labels that get regular no play from DJs
hint 3: have higher standards and ideals |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
hint: find good labels.
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I'm on a good label, have been for 10 years.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
hint 2: avoid toxic online only labels that get regular no play from DJs
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Again, working with a label that has been putting out vinyl for 10 years.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
hint 3: have higher standards and ideals |
I'll thank you not to make assessments like you know me when you clearly do not. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I'm on a good label, have been for 10 years.
Again, working with a label that has been putting out vinyl for 10 years.
I'll thank you not to make assessments like you know me when you clearly do not. |
| quote: | | I don't expect a release to make me any profit. I didn't make any money in 2001 when I had my first release, and I don't expect to make any now. I didn't start making music to make money. There are very few artists who can sell enough units to make a profit. If you want to make money in this business you need to be concentrating on DJing, merchandising and licensing. |
What you said previously, makes what you just said hard to believe?
Whats a good label? One that says "thank you" after you send them masters? Or is your high ideals in "i don't expect to make any money now" Did I miss anything here? My hints stand for anyone who wants to get ahead, and have some sort standard and ideal to reach for themselves instead "i dont expect to do anything for music". You can enjoy not eating all day, but I cant commend you, maybe a bird will. |
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| Kismet7 |
| < tired of the fake selfless "i dont care about sales" mentality some have, yet try to release music for sale. Or dont have releasable music in the first place. I dont know who you think that flies with, because its really ridiculous. If you guys genuinely selfless and believe in music as charity (not there is anything wrong with giving a track or two away once in a while to fans), there are Netlabels to release through... |
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