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| DEAD_MOOSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Would you perhaps have some more examples? A light bulb has really clicked in my head after reading your wisdom filled posts. |
im afraid my examples have dried up for now. keep checking back stephen, keep checking back. |
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| Nightshift |
If you think any of those tracks have even the slightest bit of originality you need to expand your tastes & do some research
yes they used good techniques to maybe make their tracks stand out, but original? no.
plus you need to realize that alot of it comes down to taste because i for one think that stuart price remix of that lady gaga (lol) track is quite boring and nothing special. |
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| mfitterer1 |
Dude who the cares? You know for a fact most of these gearheads buy because they can and because it makes them happy. For 99% of the people who have incessant amounts of gear on here it has ZERO to do with their productions. Some people just like to play with synths, or fool around making a new sound. Music can be a hobby for some. It's not so cut and dry as you're attempting to make it.
Buying and using gear has nothing to do with the end products in this day and age. I have bought a lot of software but I could easily spend a little bit more time and use all of the bundled software that came with Ableton.
In the end music is not a job for most of us. So you have no right to criticize people for how they go about one of their hobbies. You're just jealous some people on here are more fortunate than you.
And fyi this is coming from the biggest anti hardware person on this forum. With that said your argument is pure shat.
Why does it affect you what other people do with their money anyways? There are thousands of ways to make money in this world maybe you're just not creative enough to think outside the box? (which could also be why you're making this post) |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Sorry, but that's one of the funniest things I've read around in here in quite some time. Using trance/EDM producers/DJs as your benchmark for musicality and originality is quite hilarious really. No offense to my fellow tranceheads, but if you want sheer musicality and originality, you'll be hard-pressed to find it in trance/EDM, which is highly formulaic and repetitive by design and leaves relatively little room for creativity, performance, expression, etc. compared to most genres. Look around a little and you'll see that it's a widespread problem for many newbie trance producers like yourself to think that they are creating something completely new, when in fact, the vast majority of EDM producers are just following the same old tried-and-true formulas that everyone else is following. That's not to say that there aren't some true pioneers out there in EDM, but you aren't one of them, so get off your high horse already and quit crying about what other people are doing with their time and money. How's that for ruffling some feathers? :p
Oh, and welcome to tranceaddicts! :) |
Cryo I really think if you weren't so upset at the op's comments you'd realize what a foolish and incorrect statement this is to make. I only am familiar with Schossow out of the producers he listed and I'm a big fan of his tracks because he is very very original. You're falling into his trap and mirroring exactly what he did by generalizing trance productions.
It's also horse to think that any idea has been used and abused. There are still loads of creative ideas and sounds that have not been used yet.
I know you wouldn't have said this if he hadn't personally attacked you but you're better than to fall into his games. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Cryo I really think if you weren't so upset at the op's comments you'd realize what a foolish and incorrect statement this is to make...
I know you wouldn't have said this if he hadn't personally attacked you but you're better than to fall into his games. |
Why would I be upset? We're just having a discussion and he used me as an example - in other words, this thread isn't about me, even though I am a good example of the OP's point. I think the overall tone of the thread and other people's more "dramatic" responses probably cast a more negative light on my responses than are intended. Regardless, he didn't tell me anything that I don't already know and I don't strive to be seen as the most creative innovator out there - if you were to read my relevant posts here and on other forums over the past several years, you'd see that from me very consistently. Besides, I'm much more critical of myself than anybody on this forum is, including the OP. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
You're falling into his trap and mirroring exactly what he did by generalizing trance productions.
It's also horse to think that any idea has been used and abused. There are still loads of creative ideas and sounds that have not been used yet. |
His point wasn't to generalize trance productions, it was to call out the producers who have more gear than talent. That said, I stand by my comments, but don't take it personally and please don't misinterpret them - I like trance, house, etc. as much as the next guy, but it's not the most creative music out there, nor is it intended to be - that's what avant garde music is for, but have you ever seen someone try to dance to it? :p |
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| DEAD_MOOSE |
I think people have got the wrong end of the stick. it was never my goal to personally attack peoples music, directing it at singular people. i wanted to voice my opinion and spark some debate on the subject of what i see as quite sad. lots of people buying gear thats not required. now i know id wouldn't have noticed this if i were less disgruntled about my own situation, but the fact is that its a point worth raising and discussing.
perfect example is another current topic where a guy is asking about labels which are more aproachable for a new artist to sign to. i suggest another approach which is probably at a complete tangent to how he has been trying (and being unsuccessful) with the bigger more preferable labels. and then a guy butts in saying i know nothing. i then proceed to check out the myspace of the person who questions me and realise he probably gave up sending to the labels he really wanted to be signed to and instead made another substandard label of his own which probably sells 5-10 copies of each release due to a complete lack of marketing/promotion knowhow.
It seems to me that the people who are arguing so hard against me are those very people who clutter the music scene with mediocre demos making the jobs of the A+R people tedious, and when their demo sending fails they just release the stuff themselves and clutter up the download stores instead. |
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| Stef |
| quote: | Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE
surely someone else must see and hear what im talking about? |
Of course these people know who they are and we are well aware of them as well. Who cares though? I don't care how its made as long as he end product is good. Don't think you are the only one who sees these things. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
that's what avant garde music is for, but have you ever seen someone try to dance to it? :p |
:stongue: :haha: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Using trance/EDM producers/DJs as your benchmark for musicality and originality is quite hilarious really. No offense to my fellow tranceheads, but if you want sheer musicality and originality, you'll be hard-pressed to find it in trance/EDM, which is highly formulaic and repetitive by design and leaves relatively little room for creativity, performance, expression, etc. compared to most genres. |
Yes, dance music is quite limited in many ways, which is why it bugs me when people act like the particular variety of trance or house they like is so much more "advanced" than some other kind. Um, no, not really, they all pretty much follow the same musical form (unless you are talking about Orb 15+ minute tracks that go all over the place or something like that) and are not very high up the ladder of compositional complexity. That isn't to say they can't be good or that you can't compare them, but people should at least look around at other kinds of music and keep their opinions about the level of innovation and creativity in trance and other dance music down to earth. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Yes, dance music is quite limited in many ways, which is why it bugs me when people act like the particular variety of trance or house they like is so much more "advanced" than some other kind. Um, no, not really, they all pretty much follow the same musical form (unless you are talking about Orb 15+ minute tracks that go all over the place or something like that) and are not very high up the ladder of compositional complexity. That isn't to say they can't be good or that you can't compare them, but people should at least look around at other kinds of music and keep their opinions about the level of innovation and creativity in trance and other dance music down to earth. |
Oh, but trance is the classical music of today, didn't you know?
, I couldn't even type that with a straight face :stongue: |
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| Stylz |
| Why don't you all shut up and go make some tracks. Oh that includes me, I know. |
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