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tuning drum samples?
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| offensive_newbi |
| Do you guys do it and is it important? If so could you give some hints how should I proceed? |
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| palm |
| i sometimes adjust the pitch on things to fit the other elements yeah. no theory behind it though i just listen. very often im pitching down both claps and open hihats |
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| offensive_newbi |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
i sometimes adjust the pitch on things to fit the other elements yeah. no theory behind it though i just listen. very often im pitching down both claps and open hihats |
Yeah I usually do that too. But how about matching their pitches? |
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| Zombie0729 |
| 90% of dance kick drums are from sinewaves/synths so it is important that if you do pick a kick drum with tonal qualities they match the key of your tune. not all kicks have tonal qualities but lots do :) |
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| Icone |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
i sometimes adjust the pitch on things to fit the other elements yeah. no theory behind it though i just listen. very often im pitching down both claps and open hihats |
Well, that's more or less what I do as well; "tune it in" a bit more with the rest of the track.
For example when I make a harder track, I tend to pitch them down, for a more uplifting tune I keep them like they are or pitch them up a bit.
Then again that's more of a personal feeling, no? |
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| palm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
90% of dance kick drums are from sinewaves/synths so it is important that if you do pick a kick drum with tonal qualities they match the key of your tune. |
not sure i agree. while a lot of the drums (909 etc) are synths, most of them use noise and pitch-env to generate the sound. so their not actually very tonal imo. the release might be but usually drums doesn't need alot of release. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
not sure i agree. while a lot of the drums (909 etc) are synths, most of them use noise and pitch-env to generate the sound. so their not actually very tonal imo. the release might be but usually drums doesn't need alot of release. |
depends, 808 & 909 both use voice chips (osc's capable of sine, triangle & square pitched really low) + noise for most of their kick drums. it might be "too low" for pitch but some of EDM (minimal, techhouse in particular) make use of more tonal kicks and that was what i was referencing more of. |
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| cammaxwell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
depends, 808 & 909 both use voice chips (osc's capable of sine, triangle & square pitched really low) + noise for most of their kick drums. it might be "too low" for pitch but some of EDM (minimal, techhouse in particular) make use of more tonal kicks and that was what i was referencing more of. |
So do you just put your drums samples into a sampler and make sure there in the right key? Or is there something else you need to do? |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammaxwell
So do you just put your drums samples into a sampler and make sure there in the right key? Or is there something else you need to do? |
I think what they are getting at is that by putting your drum samples in a sampler, it makes it easier to pitch up and down quickly. If you just import your drums in as audio files, you'd have to process a pitch change each time, which is more time consuming.
This might be OK if you know exactly how many semitones or cents you want to pitch up and down, but most often its just a process of experimenting until it sounds right. By putting them im a sampler, you can change the pitch by simply turning a dial, and that makes it much easier to find the "correct" pitch. |
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| palm |
| as a reason user i didnt even think of that some people paste the wavs directly into the sequencer, i always use drummachines, make patterns and copy the midi of the pattern to the sequencer. so yeah once the pattern is made i adjust the pitch-knob on the samples loaded into the drummachine to make them fit. but usualy i never know what "note" their in and therefore most likely not in tone with the rest of the track. as i said earlier most of them (except 808 kick) doesnt even have a tone because of how the sample is made (pitch-drop sines and noise, or a mix of many) so it doesnt matter. i just adjust them to keep them separated, i use alot of hihats always and they can be fighting for attention and up for each other very often. use a drummachine! every sequencer should have one. |
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| alanzo |
| I don't tune my drums. It might be a good idea to do it with your kick drums. I have done that in the past, but it's hard to tell what pitch the drum *starts* at, so transposing it is near impossible. So I tend to not bother and just find a drum that sounds good. When I transpose my track to a more suitable key, the drums typically still sound great. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
as a reason user i didnt even think of that some people paste the wavs directly into the sequencer, i always use drummachines, make patterns and copy the midi of the pattern to the sequencer. so yeah once the pattern is made i adjust the pitch-knob on the samples loaded into the drummachine to make them fit. but usualy i never know what "note" their in and therefore most likely not in tone with the rest of the track. as i said earlier most of them (except 808 kick) doesnt even have a tone because of how the sample is made (pitch-drop sines and noise, or a mix of many) so it doesnt matter. i just adjust them to keep them separated, i use alot of hihats always and they can be fighting for attention and up for each other very often. use a drummachine! every sequencer should have one. |
I used to love my Electribe ES1 for that very reason but it doesn't get much action these days. Maybe time to brush the dust off....
I actually am now used to just placing .WAVS in logic for all my drum sounds. It's a pain at first but now I kind of do it without thinking. You also have a lot of control over placement and editing which is really useful for grooves.
This subject came up a while back and if I remember correctly the general consensus was that apart from very tonal drum sounds (mainly sine-ish kicks) it's not worth going through the hassle.
Basically there are so many drum samples out there it's easier to just replace it with a sample that fits rather than trying to adjust a drum sample to fit the track.
I really liked battery 2, but they ed up battery 3 and even though Guru is alright, it still doesn't float my boat.
Anyone got any recommendations for good perc/drum samplers for Logic? Nothing too crazy, just looking for something that does what it says on the tin. |
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