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Is a hardware mixer going to make a difference? (pg. 4)
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
No I sold most of my hardware when we moved house as I thought it would distract me from the chore of renovating the house. The house is finished so I this time when for a DAW setup with only 2 hardware synths.
Listening to my old mixes they sound more OPEN, thats the key word. I think using the term 'pro sound' was a mistake by me.
Now I'm hoping I will get to grips with the DAW and get the mix where I want it to be. It maybe that I just have'nt worked out how to mix properly with it.
My mixes sound great on the monitors, but then after running them through the TRACS deluxe limiter they sound less spacial and deep.
If I dont turn up the input gain on the tracs limiter, forum people say its too quiet, not enough impact. If I turn it up though beyond about 2OCLOCK the sound stratrs to get tight and squashed.
Ive not tried the TRACS presets as to be honest I used hardware compressors for years and feel I know what Im doing.
Maybe I should use the TRACS OPTO COMPRESSOR to get the track loud enough and then either use the brick wall limter sparringly or there is a setting - 'SET TO 0DB OUTPUT' for the chain which is not related to the limiter, so I could not use the limiter.
I know loud is'nt everything and I've read Biob Katz on this, but the bottom line is on another forum people get really loud mixes that are still nice and spacey and some of them just use FL and one synth (Nexus).
I have no problem editing the sounds so they are correct and full but it's the end limiting that seems to be the killer.
AGAIN I DIDNT GET THIS PROBLEM WITH MY OLD SETUP SO IT IS'NT MY EARS OR LACK OF KNOW HOW.
I am at loss, but I will solve it, hopefuly with your input.
The mixer is probably a red herring, it's the limiting / finalisation I need to get right.
BTW - Yes I will use a proper mastering engineer, but none the less I want to be able to get it as good as I think is possible. A mastering engineer I would use if a label wanted. |
What do you mean your old mixes sounded more OPEN, can you explain that? |
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| Ry Thomas |
| i guess he means more depth |
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| Morvan |
| He probably means that it wasn't as squashed to death and therefore more dynamic. However, he is not willing to limit it less aggressively because the "forum people" seem to be the deciding factor of what is best in his music instead of listening to himself. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
Sounds like you need some plugs. Check out the Oxford Inflator from Sonnox. It's very nice and simple to use and gives amazing life to a track. I use it a ton and not just on masters. its great on single tracks.
i havn't used it yet either but if ozone is any indication check out Alloy from Izotope.
You need harmonic enrichment and some good plugs and processing. Not outboard gear. (my opinion) |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by DjStephenWiley
Sounds like you need some plugs. Check out the Oxford Inflator from Sonnox. It's very nice and simple to use and gives amazing life to a track. I use it a ton and not just on masters. its great on single tracks.
i havn't used it yet either but if ozone is any indication check out Alloy from Izotope.
You need harmonic enrichment and some good plugs and processing. Not outboard gear. (my opinion) |
Great advice, thanks.
I've currently got this* vocal track on the stove that has a bass I like - but is it over done (in chorus).......(afraid to alter the bass as it sounds real good in the car)?
The track is through the TRACS limiter.
Please note I have not mixed most of the sounds nor added vocals, closed hatz, variation or fx yet - the break will be more interesting. This is a smallish sample.
QUICK PLAY;
Track 1 00kbps.mp3 - 4.72MB
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6926152376ae4d58/ |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Great advice, thanks.
I've currently got this* vocal track on the stove that has a bass I like - but is it over done (in chorus).......(afraid to alter the bass as it sounds real good in the car)?
The track is through the TRACS limiter.
Please note I have not mixed most of the sounds nor added vocals, closed hatz, variation or fx yet - the break will be more interesting. This is a smallish sample.
QUICK PLAY;
Track 1 00kbps.mp3 - 4.72MB
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6926152376ae4d58/ |
That sounds pretty good to my ears - one thing to watch with chorus is excessive width in low frequencies - can cause problems in mono |
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| offensive_newbi |
to op: are you sure this 'open sound' is open just because of the analog mixer and thus cannot be archieved with purely digital systems?
I really can't understand this analog mixer hype!? |
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| hexadecimal |
Anyone who wants real answers to questions like the one in this thread, should consider visiting tapeop, gearslutz, or any one of the other forums inhabited by people who know what they're doing and talking about.
The amount of bad advice, and false information being passed as fact on this forum is ridiculous, and anyone who doesn't know any better is going to end up "learning" way too much of it. |
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| offensive_newbi |
| quote: | Originally posted by hexadecimal
Anyone who wants real answers to questions like the one in this thread, should consider visiting tapeop, gearslutz, or any one of the other forums inhabited by people who know what they're doing and talking about.
The amount of bad advice, and false information being passed as fact on this forum is ridiculous, and anyone who doesn't know any better is going to end up "learning" way too much of it. |
So do you mean if it is good or not good to buy external mixer for mixing vsts? |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by hexadecimal
Anyone who wants real answers to questions like the one in this thread, should consider visiting tapeop, gearslutz, or any one of the other forums inhabited by people who know what they're doing and talking about.
The amount of bad advice, and false information being passed as fact on this forum is ridiculous, and anyone who doesn't know any better is going to end up "learning" way too much of it. |
Any public forum is going to have bad pieces of information and advice. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hexadecimal
Anyone who wants real answers to questions like the one in this thread, should consider visiting tapeop, gearslutz, or any one of the other forums inhabited by people who know what they're doing and talking about.
The amount of bad advice, and false information being passed as fact on this forum is ridiculous, and anyone who doesn't know any better is going to end up "learning" way too much of it. |
gearslutz :stongue: |
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| hexadecimal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Any public forum is going to have bad pieces of information and advice. |
It's not just a few bad pieces of info and advice, it's a ing lot. 9 out of 10 things I see on this forum in response to questions concerning recording, synthesis, and just about everything else, contain massive amounts of incorrect information.
The biggest problem here is that there are so many morons agreeing with each other on the idiotic they're saying, that it would appear to someone who doesn't know what's going on that those idiots are correct. |
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