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Fledz
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Originally posted by Lira
What is wrong with the Americas? :conf:

Americans, Mexicans and Latinos.
Lews
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Originally posted by The17sss
Shut the up. What's your ing problem ? Getting defensive because you fell for the AGW hoax and feel like a baffoon while we're in the midst of a 10th strait year of cooling and the coldest winter in 25 years? I'm not defending religion at all. All I was saying was THOSE people in the video aren't hurting anybody by what they're doing, even if they look like fools.

How many goddamn times have I said that I'm an athiest, can't stand religion, and believe in a historical context, it's caused more grief than good? ! Pay attention!


*sigh* I really wish Global Warming wasn't true. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
Lews
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Originally posted by Capitalizt
I used to think that..but the more I learn about religion the more my doubts grow.. Now matter how you phrase things, what it ultimately boils down to is belief in an intervening sky fairy.. I can't help hearing that phrase in my head when I hear religious people speak of the will of God.. "A ING SKY FAIRY? REALLY??" The more I learn about religion the more infantile it seems, and when it comes to Christianity the "God" character seems like a quite sadistic and unpleasant dictator..certainly not someone worthy of worship.


I always like to think of it as Schizophrenia myself. I mean, seriously, if someone was going on about this today, we'd have them put on pills!

And yeah, the Christian god does seem quite horrible to me.
R!CH
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Originally posted by Lira
What is wrong with the Americas? :conf:


it didn't always used to be this way, we used to have some very intelligent and highly secular leaders. jefferson, lincoln, madison, adams, franklin, paine--all existed at a time when america was ruled by freethinking deists and agnostics who rejected christianity and superstition.

what has gradually eroded that rational, freethinking america we used to have is imo the media that took root with william randolph hearst. the one thing i notice about clusters throughout america's history is the role of the media in making people either more fearful, more ignorant, more cynical or more apathetic in times when we really need to be thinking carefully. they do this on purpose. the more infantile our thinking becomes, the easier it is to exploit us. the more we mistrust all others, the more we rely on them.

the media is always distorting issues while distracting people from them so you have half the people paying attention and thinking the wrong thing, and the other half not thinking about it at all. fast forward through the war on drugs and war on terror and today people just kind of accept the fact that we're bleeding our national treasure dry on nebulous unwinnable wars because of fear, laziness and ignorance. do we know this is happening? yes. do we care that it's happening? maybe. are we going to do anything about it? nah, american idol is on in 30 min. once you have really lazy, ignorant, fearful people, it becomes incredibly easy for religion to creep in and poison the national spirit. after all practicing religion is practicing non-thinking. this religious takeover becomes even easier in a country where religion is tax-sheltered free-enterprise (usa).

it would be nice to return to simpler times where people had less media distractions and more time to to realize things like this...


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" Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. "
- Thomas Jefferson, founding father of America, 3rd president, inventor, polymath, author Declaration of Independence

" I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world. "
- Thomas Jefferson

" Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. "
- Thomas Jefferson, to James Smith, 1822

" I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. "
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


" I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies. "
- Benjamin Franklin, founding father of America, author, inventor

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches. "
- Benjamin Franklin

" During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution. "
- James Madison, founding father of America, 4th president, political theorist

" What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy. "
- James Madison

" Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise. "
- James Madison

" This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it. "
- John Adams, founding father of America, 2nd president, federalist

" The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. "
- John Adams

" The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma. "
- Abraham Lincoln, lawyer, emancipator, 16th president

" I do not believe in the creed of the Roman Church, in the Protestant Church, the Greek Church, or the Turkish Church. My own mind is my church. "
- Thomas Paine, deist, author "Common Sense"

" Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind. "
- Thomas Paine, from The Age of Reason

" All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. "
- Thomas Paine

" The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun. "
- Thomas Paine
djnitride
hate on religion all you want, its the only thing that gets some people through the day.

that being said, trance is my religion :D
couch-potato
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Originally posted by Lews
I always like to think of it as Schizophrenia myself. I mean, seriously, if someone was going on about this today, we'd have them put on pills!


If God speaks to someone, it's considered divine. If he happens to speak to someone through morse code via rain taps on someone's window, we'd view them as bat insane.
R!CH
i'm just gonna leave this here...



" The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma. "
- Abraham Lincoln, lawyer, emancipator, 16th president

" Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. "
- Thomas Jefferson, founding father of America, 3rd president, inventor, polymath, author Declaration of Independence

" I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature.....Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world. "
- Thomas Jefferson

" As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us. "
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819

" Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. "
- Thomas Jefferson, to James Smith, 1822

" I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. "
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


" I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies. "
- Benjamin Franklin, founding father of America, author, inventor

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches. "
- Benjamin Franklin

" During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution. "
- James Madison, founding father of America, 4th president, political theorist

" What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy. "
- James Madison

" Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise. "
- James Madison

" This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it. "
- John Adams, founding father of America, 2nd president, federalist

" The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. "
- John Adams

" I do not believe in the creed of the Roman Church, in the Protestant Church, the Greek Church, or the Turkish Church. My own mind is my church. "
- Thomas Paine, deist, author "Common Sense"

" Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind. "
- Thomas Paine, from The Age of Reason

" All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. "
- Thomas Paine

" The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun. "
- Thomas Paine

" I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life – our desire to go on living … our dread of coming to an end. "
- Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931)

" When I became convinced that the Universe is natural -- that all the ghosts and gods are myth, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bards, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll, agnostic, humanist, freethinker (1833-1899)

" With soap, baptism is a good thing. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" Hands that help are far better then lips that pray. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned by our surroundings. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" Environment is a sculptor -- a painter. If we had been born in Constantinople, then most of us would have said: 'There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet.' If our parents had lived on the banks of the Ganges, we would have been worshipers of Siva, longing for the heaven of Nirvana. As a rule, children love their parents, believe what they teach, and take great pride in saying that the religion of mother is good enough for them. "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had to drown His own? "
- Robert G. Ingersoll

" Whatever good you would do out of fear of punishment, or hope of reward hereafter, the Atheist would do simply because it is good; and being so, he would receive the far surer and more certain reward, springing from well-doing, which would constitute his pleasure, and promote his happiness. "
- Ernestine L. Rose, abolitionist, atheist, freethinker, 1878

" The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by "God" one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a god. This god is emotionally unsatisfying...It does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity. "
- Carl Sagan, astronomer, astrobiologist

" It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. "
- Carl Sagan

" Science arouses a soaring sense of wonder. But so does pseudoscience. Sparse and poor popularizations of science abandon ecological niches that pseudoscience promptly fills. If it were widely understood that claims to knowledge require adequate evidence before they can be accepted, there would be no room for pseudoscience...

All over the world there are enormous numbers of smart, even gifted, people who harbor a passion for science. But that passion is unrequited. Surveys suggest that some 95% of Americans are 'scientifically illiterate.' That's... the same fraction... of slaves who were illiterate before the Civil War. "

- Carl Sagan

" Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. "
- Carl Sagan

" Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings, will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs profoundly from their wishes and prejudices, will penetrate its deepest mysteries. "
- Carl Sagan

" I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. "
- Albert Einstein, theoretical physicist

" It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere...Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death. "
- Albert Einstein

" I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own-a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble minds harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature. "
- Albert Einstein

" I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it. "
- Albert Einstein

" I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch. "
- Dr. James Watson, American biologist, dDiscoverer of DNA

" It appears to me (whether rightly or wrongly) that direct arguments against christianity and theism produce hardly any effect on the public; and freedom of thought is best promoted by the gradual illumination of men's minds which follows from the advance of science. "
- Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist

" Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered. "
- Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist, evolutionary biologist, scientific historian

" Scientific education and religious education are incompatible. The clergy have ceased to interfere with education at the advanced state, but they still control that of the children. This means that children will have to learn about Adam and Noah instead of about evolution, about David killing Goliath instead of Koch killing cholera, about Christ's ascent into heaven instead of Montgolfier's and Wright's. Worse than that they are taught that it is a virtue to accept statements without adequate evidence, which leaves them prey to quacks of every kind and makes it difficult for them to accept the methods of thought that are successful in science. "
- JB Haldane, geneticist

" Anxieties about ourselves endure. If our proper study is indeed the study of humankind, then it has seemed-and still seems-to many that the study is dangerous. Perhaps we shall find out that we were not what we took ourselves to be. But if the historical development of science has indeed sometimes pricked our vanity, it has not plunged us into an abyss of immorality. Arguably, it has liberated us from misconceptions, and thereby aided us in our moral progress.

The theory of evolution explains to us what our ancestry has been. It does not explain away our worth. Why should we be afraid to learn more about what we are? "

- Philip Kitcher, scientific philosopher

" Blind faith, no matter how passionately expressed, will not suffice. Science for its part will test relentlessly every assumption about the human condition. "
- Edward O. Wilson, humanist, biologist, naturalist, researcher

" If history and science have taught us anything, it is that passion and desire are not the same as truth. The human mind evolved to believe in the gods. It did not evolve to believe in biology. Acceptance of the supernatural conveyed a great advantage throughout prehistory, when the brain was evolving. Thus it is in sharp contrast to biology, which was developed as a product of the modern age and is not underwritten by genetic algorithms. The uncomfortable truth is that the two beliefs are not factually compatible. As a result those who hunger for both intellectual and religious truth will never acquire both in full measure. "
- Edward O. Wilson

" The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life. "
- Sigmund Freud, Austrian physician, psychoanalyst

" I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. "
- Stephen Henry Roberts, historian, professor emeritus Univ. of Sydney

" I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don’t believe in either. I don’t believe in God as I don’t believe in Mother Goose. "
- Clarence Darrow, civil libertarian, lawyer, agnostic

" I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure. "
- Clarence Darrow

" The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. "
- George Bernard Shaw, English playwright

" The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal,genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. "
- Richard Dawkins, British ethologist, evolutionary biologist

" I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say that one is an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or agnostic. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time. "
- Isaac Asimov, professor of biochemistry, science/science fiction writer

" Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. "
- Isaac Asimov

" I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain. "
- Gene Roddenberry, Creator of Star Trek

" We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. "
- Gene Roddenberry

" I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life. "
- Andrew Carnegie, American industrialist, philanthropist

" All thinking men are atheists. "
- Ernest Hemingway, American writer, journalist

" If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian. "
- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American writer, satirist, lecturer

" Man is a marvelous curiosity... he thinks he is the Creator's pet... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. "
- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain"

" One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads have believed in it. They have also believed the world was flat. "
- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain"

" It is best to read the weather forecast before praying for rain. "
- Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain"

" Faith is the commitment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof. A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition. Faith is the equation of feeling with knowledge. "
- Ayn Rand, American writer, philosopher, playwright

" When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing anything to equal it. "
- Oscar Wilde, Irish playwright, novelist, poet

" 'A philosopher,' said the theologian, 'is like a blind man looking in a dark room for a black cat which isn't there.'

'Yes,' replied the philosopher, 'and if I were a theologian, I'd find the cat!' "

- Aldous Huxley, British writer, humanist (1894-1963)

" You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough. "
- Aldous Huxley

" At least two-thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity: idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political ideas. "
- Aldous Huxley

" At any given moment, life is completely senseless. But viewed over a period, it seems to reveal itself as an organism existing in time, having a purpose, trending in a certain direction. "
- Aldous Huxley

" It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. "
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Scottish writer, author Sherlock Holmes

" All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fear, fraud, greed, imagination and poetry. "
- Edgar Allen Poe, American writer, poet

" Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific cooperation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion. "
- Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, writer, mathmetician, ethicist, logicist

" Religion is based mainly on fear... fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand... My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race. "
- Bertrand Russell

" I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. I am not young, and I love life. But I should scorn to shiver with terror at the thought of annihilation. Happiness is none the less true happiness because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value because they are not everlasting. "
- Bertrand Russell

" I am myself a dissenter from all known religions, and I hope that every kind of religious belief will die out. "
- Bertrand Russell

" It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous. "
- Gloria Steinam

" Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe, but in proportion to their readiness to doubt. "
- Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken, American editor, critic

" For centuries, theologians have attempted to explain the unknowable in terms of the-not-worth-knowing. "
- Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken

" The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind. "
- Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken

" Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration--courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth. "
- Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken

" God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above their betters. "
- Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken

" Since the early days, [the church] has thrown itself violently against every effort to liberate the body and mind of man. It has been, at all times and everywhere, the habitual and incorrigible defender of bad governments, bad laws, bad social theories, bad institutions. It was, for centuries, an apologist for slavery, as it was an apologist for the divine right of kings. "
- Henry Louis "H.L." Mencken

" There is so much in the bible against which every insinct of my being rebels, so much so that I regret the necessity which has compelled me to read it through from beginning to end. I do not think that the knowledge I have gained of its history and sources compensates me for the unpleasant details it has forced upon my attention. "
- Helen Keller, American lecturer

" I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there. "
- Robert Frost, American poet

" Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll forgive Thy great big one on me. "
- Robert Frost

" I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way. "
- Robert Frost

" I was born a heretic. I always distrust people who know so much about what God wants them to do to their fellows. "
- Susan B. Anthony, American suffragist

" By simple common sense I don't believe in God, in none. "
- Charlie Chaplin, British actor, director, producer

" I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create. "
- Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter

" I wasn't raised Catholic, but I used to go to Mass with my friends, and I viewed the whole business as a lot of very enthralling hocus-pocus. There's a guy hanging upon the wall in the church, nailed to a cross and dripping blood, and everybody's blaming themselves for that man's torment, but I said to myself, 'Forget it. I had no hand in that evil. I have no original sin. There’s no blood of any sacred martyr on my hands. I pass on all of this. "
- Billy Joel, American musician

" I believe that all important matters have to be settled here, not in the clouds somewhere after we kick off. "
- Billy Joel

" If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working. "
- Frank Zappa, American musician

" God is a concept by which we measure our pain. "
- John Lennon, American musician

" I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. "
- Frank Lloyd Wright, American architect

" Faith means not wanting to know what is true. "
- Friedrich Nietzsche, German philosopher, philologist

" The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit; it is at the same time subjection, a self-derision, and self-mutilation. "
- Friedrich Nietzsche

" All religions bear traces of the fact that they arose during the intellectual immaturity of the human race – before it had learned the obligations to speak the truth. Not one of them makes it the duty of its God to be truthful and understandable in his communications. "
- Friedrich Nietzsche

" The most serious parody I have ever heard was this: In the beginning was nonsense, and the nonsense was with God, and the nonsense was God. "
- Friedrich Nietzsche

" There is no devil and no hell. Thy soul will be dead even sooner than thy body: fear therefore nothing any more. "
- Friedrich Nietzsche

" To regard Christ as God, and to pray to him, are to my mind the greatest possible sacrilege. "
- Leo Tolstoy, Russian revolutionary

" The bible teaches that woman brought sin and death into the world, that she precipitated the fall of the race, that she was arraigned before the judgment seat of Heaven, tried, condemned and sentenced. Marriage for her was to be a condition of bondage, maternity a period of suffering and anguish, and in silence and subjection, she was to play the role of a dependent on man's bounty for all her material wants, and for all the information she might desire...Here is the Bible position of woman briefly summed up. "
- Elizabeth Cady Stanton, American suffragist (1815-1902)

" Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror. "
- Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", writer, playwright (1694-1778)

" Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world. "
- Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire"

" Superstition, born of paganism and adopted by Judaism, invested the Christian Church from earliest times. All the fathers of the Church, without exception, believed in the power of magic. The Church always condemned magic, but she always believed in it: she did not excommunicate sorcerers as madmen who were mistaken, but as men who were really in communication with the devil. "
- Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire"

" If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities. "
- Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire"

" Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. "
- Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire"

" Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. "
- Seneca, Roman philosopher, writer, politician

" Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. "
- Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor

" Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. "
- Napoleon Bonaparte

" Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. "
- Denis Diderot, French philosopher, author, encyclopedist (1713-1784)

" A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider godfearing and pious. On the other hand they do less easily move against him believing that he has the gods on his side. "
- Aristotle, Greek philosopher, early scientist

" The death of dogma is the birth of reason. "
- Immanuel Kant, German philosopher

  • Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent.

  • Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent.

  • Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

  • Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?
  • - Epicurus, Greek philosopher, circa 300 BCE

    " What would be the use of immortality to a person who cannot use well a half hour? "
    - Ralph Waldo Emerson, poet, American philosopher, transcendentalist

    " All religions of a spiritual nature are inventions of man. He has created an entire system of gods with nothing more than his carnal brain. Just because he has an ego and cannot accept it, he has had to externalize it into some great spiritual device which he calls "god."

    God can do all the things man is forbidden to do, such as kill people, perform miracles to gratify his will, control without any apparent responsibility, etc. If man needs such a god and recognizes that god, then he is worshiping an entity that a human being invented. Therefore, HE IS WORSHIPING BY PROXY THE MAN THAT INVENTED GOD. Is it not more sensible to worship a god that he, himself, has created in accordance with his own emotional needs - one that best represents the very carnal and physical being that has the idea-power to invent a god in the first place? "

    - Anton Szandor LaVey, wrtier, occultist, founder Church of Satan

    " Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion. "
    - L. Ron Hubbard, pulp writer, self-proclaimed demigod, founder of The Church of Scientology, millionaire

    " Man creates God, then gets on his knees and worships his invention. "
    - Karl Marx, Prussian philosopher, political economist, founder Marxism

    " The wretchedness of religion is at once an expression and a protest against real wretchedness. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the feeling of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of unspiritual conditions. It is the opium of the people. "
    - Karl Marx

    " The social principles of Christianity preach cowardice, self-contempt, abasement, submission, humility, in a word all the qualities of the canaille. "
    - Karl Marx

    " By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God. "
    - Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist

    " Do not find yourself in a ritual, for rituals are patterns; patterns never change and you will never either. "
    - Anonymous

    " When religion is good, it will support itself. And when it is not, and God does not care to support it, and its professors call for the help of a civil power, 'tis a sign of its being a bad one. "
    - Benjamin Franklin

    " The question is whether the god of nature will govern the world by his own laws or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles. "
    - John Adams, founding father of America, 2nd president

    " I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price regarding the harm done by religion, Jan. 8, 1789

    " It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

    " The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

    " In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814

    " And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


    " All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)

    " Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. "
    - Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    " I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. "
    - Frederick Douglass, escaped slave, abolitionist, writer, statesman
    kamil
    quote:
    Originally posted by leph555
    what else is new? i think that it is pretty apparent that religion will be the downfall of modern civilization


    Will be? It has been since its poisoned the human mind thousands of years ago.

    The world was just fine for billions of years and religion only need to come into existence in the last 10,000 years, according to these idiot fundamentalists and other delusional wackjobs praising a fictional character.
    R!CH
    quote:
    Originally posted by kamil
    Will be? It has been since its poisoned the human mind thousands of years ago.

    The world was just fine for billions of years and religion only need to come into existence in the last 10,000 years, according to these idiot fundamentalists and other delusional wackjobs praising a fictional character.


    religion helped our ancestors survive several thousand to several hundred years ago when modern science wasn't around to help us cope with powerful things we experienced in our environment such as the sun, the stars, the sea, fire, rain, earthquakes, meteors, love, war, famine, disease, death, etc... but today it only provides false hope and a means of controlling people.
    Capitalizt
    Let me add one more quote to that list..dealing with the Christian doctrine of "original sin". One of the central ideas of Christianity is that man exists in a fallen state. We are born guilty and must atone for the "sin" of Adam in the garden of eden.. What exactly are thousands of generations being punished for? What exactly do Christians regard as the original evil? Here is the answer..
    quote:

    "What is the nature of the guilt that your teachers call his Original Sin? What are the evils man acquired when he fell from a state they consider perfection? Their myth declares that he ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge—he acquired a mind and became a rational being. It was the knowledge of good and evil—he became a moral being. He was sentenced to earn his bread by his labor—he became a productive being. He was sentenced to experience desire—he acquired the capacity of sexual enjoyment. The evils for which they damn him are reason, morality, creativeness, joy—all the cardinal values of his existence. It is not his vices that their myth of man’s fall is designed to explain and condemn, it is not his errors that they hold as his guilt, but the essence of his nature as man. Whatever he was—that robot in the Garden of Eden, who existed without mind, without values, without labor, without love—he was NOT man." - Ayn Rand

    Lira
    I'd rather read a convincing quote by you, R!CH, than a bunch of quotes by random people with little cohesion among them, except for the main idea.
    R!CH
    quote:
    Originally posted by Lira
    I'd rather read a convincing quote by you, R!CH, than a bunch of quotes by random people with little cohesion among them, except for the main idea.


    what would be the point of restating a 2300 year old idea that still resonates so strong today? i've already put in my commentary regarding how we got from a nation of freethinkers to a nation of superstitious morons. the rest has already been said. beyond that list of thoughts from history's smartest people, there is no other argument to be had.
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