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Does having good music theory knowledge make u better at trance? (pg. 4)
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| RichieV |
concuring with DIginut
you say it is outdated yet i'm pretty sure you are trying to do textbook harmonic motion and have trouble with it. My argument concerning theory being limited has to do with my own aesthetic with EDM in that I don't appreciate a good melody because there are none I haven't heard a million times before. Well I can appreciate it on a dancing level I suppose but not as something I would want to emulate or listen at home. |
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| jupiterone |
| most people i've met that do things strictly by theoretical rules suck. their personality, their music, it all sucks, they become giant snobs |
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| RichieV |
| that is why I mentioned my first post regarding learning theory to the point where you are n't a slave to it. Used the right way at the right time is an extremely powerful tool. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
most people i've met that do things strictly by theoretical rules suck. their personality, their music, it all sucks, they become giant snobs |
I can honestly say that in all my years of schooling (including 4 years as a music theory major) and playing in countless bands, orchestras, etc. that I have never met anyone who does things strictly by theoretical rules. Or, maybe I'm just one of those giant snobs? :conf: |
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| maclean |
okay bit much for me to respond to but reading all your posts again it seems a bit uncertain. Some people say yes some say no, regarding the outdated for edm argument, thats probabbly true for most styles of edm that are 'in' at the moment but I still like my personal music to have some form of melodic element to it rather than blips and sweeps etc. I suppose you could say I like to make traditional trance?
I don't still really think I understand what theory is really, I know chords and scales and but what I dont get is how does creativety and theory fuse in the middle for someone working on music?
Okay so if you're someone who knows alot of music theory how would your melody composing differ to someone like me who plays with my keyboard to the point that I can improvise decent melodies, to the point I have a good 'feel' of it, but at the end of the day don't really know anything other than 'ooo that sounds nice ill record that' or 'ooo that sounds sack that'
Thanks for all your input so far |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by maclean
I don't still really think I understand what theory is really, I know chords and scales and but what I dont get is how does creativety and theory fuse in the middle for someone working on music?
Okay so if you're someone who knows alot of music theory how would your melody composing differ to someone like me who plays with my keyboard to the point that I can improvise decent melodies, to the point I have a good 'feel' of it, but at the end of the day don't really know anything other than 'ooo that sounds nice ill record that' or 'ooo that sounds sack that'
Thanks for all your input so far |
You can start learning Cubase from scratch, without reading the manual or understanding how the program works. After some years, you can arrive at similar results with it as someone who learned it (in much shorter time) by reading the manual.
Before that time, the one reading the manual is constantly learning new techniques/tools to be better able to create exactly what he has in his mind. In the meantime you are twiddling around with the little knowhow you have, struggling to move forward to achieve similar results as those you admire.
Music is much more vast subject than Cubase though, so I would just pick up the manual. |
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| Sonic_c |
You know what i found out this week? there are subtle differences in keys because the C major scale is tuned to the exact tone to the individual hz? i dont know what it is but, as you move around the circle of 5ths the maths gets a little bit wrong only by a minute amount but it could be what gives each key its unique colour.
Fascinating, i probably explained that wrong as i dont fully understand it myself. |
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| nightowl |
Competence = Knowing the rules
greatness = breaking the rules
Genius = making the rules
I agree some music theory/model background wont do any harm in all styles of music, but learning too much theory too early may stifle any enthusiasm for music. Just think how many kids are sent off to learn the piano and spend so long learning scales it crushes their desire to carry on due to the lack of any results :confused:
I have basic theory knowledge whereby I know what chords sit well with what notes/scales but I only picked these up by learning to play hot pop songs from teach yourself books. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by nightowl
Just think how many kids are sent off to learn the piano and spend so long learning scales it crushes their desire to carry on due to the lack of any results :confused: |
Odd, I can't seem to remember a time when warming up with 5-10 minutes of scales ever crushed my desire to play.
If any aspiring pianist finds scales that difficult, perhaps they aren't really cut out for it...
I did like the first part of your post though.  |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
You know what i found out this week? there are subtle differences in keys because the C major scale is tuned to the exact tone to the individual hz? i dont know what it is but, as you move around the circle of 5ths the maths gets a little bit wrong only by a minute amount but it could be what gives each key its unique colour.
Fascinating, i probably explained that wrong as i dont fully understand it myself. |
that only happens with mean tempered or Pythagorus tuning. Modern tuning has an equal proportion between each note so each key is identical. There is no difference. There are some draw backs as the 5ths are never perfect in modern tuning but are ears have become accustomed to it. |
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| IceColdWater |
Music isn't like math or science , it's a 'feeling' thing. You listen to it , and you try to understand how it goes.
Isn't music supposed to be an expression of emotions or thoughts?
Shouldn't it come from our feelings , not moments of logical thinking?
If we take music theory , it would just be like learning math. Music isn't math , music is an art. Art is supposed to come from our feelings , not from our logic.
So my point is , music theory just turn the whole damn thing into some left brained stuff.
But of course , that doesn't apply to all people!
If your that kind of 'obey rules' and 'follow what the teachers say' person , music , especially trance , then it just isn't your thing.
Your just gonna end up sounding like .. Your textbook.
Yet , there are also people who learn music theory , and using that knowledge , tries to understand music deeper and attempts to know more about it.. It's like using knowledge to know more knowledge. |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| I never thought of music theory like math, maybe there are similarities but I think theory is more of a language than a math. |
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