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More traffic hell coming for Toronto: University/Spadina Bike lanes and BIKE BOXES? (pg. 2)
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| Jayx1 |
Name one city on the planet other than venice that does not have cars (and lots of them) downtown.
They are and always will be part of city life. Perhaps they will be fueled differently and more compact, but people will always want a degree of independence with a vehicle.
Reducing capacity def doesnt reduce traffic. It makes it worse. And if you get rid of cars, you will get rid of all the commerce that comes with it. If people from the burbs (and i include etobicoke, scarberia and north york as well as the 905 with this) stopped coming downtown, the city will die out really quickly. If you want a good example look no further than Detroit. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers
... How? |
Lets do one way streets if we really badly and truly want to copy everything new york does.
One way streets increase capacity AND allow room for a bike lane. And you only need one bike lane! Also there are fewer chances for left turn accidents.
Pretty well any city worth living in has a grid of one way streets because its the next logical step to becoming a large city. And a step that our provincial way of thinking has largely ignored (along with getting rid of street cars which most cities did in the 50s and 60s) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stilez
Not such a bad idea considering they want to avoid bikes from zig zagging through stopped traffic, and since bikes don't have the quick acceleration like cars to 'get ahead' of them, I think it'll prevent cyclists from getting hit when attempting to cross or turn.
Leave the cars for the suburbs, srsly. Both Jay & digi are from north of Steeles. make sense? :p |
if bicyclists cant negotiate a downtown left turn then they shouldnt be riding their bike downtown.
I say the same thing about drivers who cant drive their cars properly. |
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| miketg23 |
| Have to agree with Jay on this one. This city needs a better subway system to get people out of cars. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by miketg23
Have to agree with Jay on this one. This city needs a better subway system to get people out of cars. |
exactly |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by miketg23
Have to agree with Jay on this one. This city needs a better subway system to get people out of cars. |
subways and commuter trains. And better urban planning! :) |
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| Skipper |
| University is such a god awful street to bike on. A lane - partitioned or not - would be excellent. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
University is such a god awful street to bike on. A lane - partitioned or not - would be excellent. |
why not move over a small block to simcoe street? it runs the whole length of university.
Whats next? Bike lanes on the dvp??? |
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| malek |
| I can't believe how much is given to such a small minority, at most downtown travels by bike are 1% of total travels... like wtf!? |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Name one city on the planet other than venice that does not have cars (and lots of them) downtown.
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Amsterdam |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Amsterdam |
not true. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
not true. |
Sure was from what I saw, and my dutch landlords told me. |
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