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More traffic hell coming for Toronto: University/Spadina Bike lanes and BIKE BOXES? (pg. 3)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Amsterdam |
been there many times.. and my family is dutch. they have lots of cars. What they do have though is a pedestrian street. I love pedestrian streets. But they only work when you have really good transit.
Amsterdam's pedestrian street is between two transit hubs. Centraal Station and The Dam Platz
Also when they do bike lanes they dont sacrifice capacity for them. And they also use parks and allyways as much as they can as bike only networks. |
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| miketg23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Sure was from what I saw, and my dutch landlords told me. |
Maybe you spent too much time in the cafes. There were plenty of cars near central station. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Sure was from what I saw, and my dutch landlords told me. |
| quote: | News
Amsterdam: More Trips by Bike than by Car
AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands - The bicycle is the means of transport used most often in Amsterdam. Between 2005 and 2007 people in the city used their bikes on average 0.87 times a day, compared to 0.84 for their cars. This is the first time that bicycle use exceeds car use.
In 2006 the inhabitants of Amsterdam engaged in some 2 million trips a day, an 8% reduction compared to 1990. This is due to the number of trips per person per day falling from 3.6 to 3.1%. The number of transfers has fallen in the old city within the ring road in particular.
The number of trips by car, compared to 1990, has fallen in all districts (-14%), whereas the number of trips by bicycle has only risen within the ring road (+36%). The bike is used most often in the town centre (41% versus an average of 28%) and the car least often (10% versus an average of 28%). This can be attributed to the restrictive parking policies enacted here since the 1990s.
‘Dienst Infrastructuur en Beheer’, the infrastructure department of the city registered approximately 235,000 car movements in both directions at the city centre in 1990; by 2006 this had fallen to 172,000, a decrease of over a quarter. Over the same period the number of daily movements by bicycle rose from 86,000 to over 140,000 (+60%).
Published @ 23-06-2009 |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by miketg23
Maybe you spent too much time in the cafes. There were plenty of cars near central station. |
I actually didn't frequent the cafes :rolleyes:
If you read what Jay asked, he didn't say name a city that has NO cars. He said name one that has fewer cars than bikes. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Also when they do bike lanes they dont sacrifice capacity for them. And they also use parks and allyways as much as they can as bike only networks. |
Definitely true. Amsterdam's (and Europe in general) transit system (public transit, bike routes, and roads) are light years ahead of Canada.
I've have zero experience in urban planning, but I just feel like things are so screwed up already here that it'd be almost impossible to switch to a better system without starting completely from scratch (which obviously is not very feasible) |
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| miketg23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
I actually didn't frequent the cafes :rolleyes:
If you read what Jay asked, he didn't say name a city that has NO cars. He said name one that has fewer cars than bikes. |
read it again.
He said "does not have cars (and lots of them) downtown." |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by miketg23
read it again.
He said "does not have cars (and lots of them) downtown." |
whoops! my bad then!
Makes more sense why Malek disagreed.
But I still say that Amsterdam has fewer cars downtown than bikes. |
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| miketg23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
whoops! my bad then!
Makes more sense why Malek disagreed.
But I still say that Amsterdam has fewer cars downtown than bikes. |
I would agree with that and judging by the number of narrow roads, channels, bikers and intoxicated pedestrians, I doubt I would want to drive there. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
I actually didn't frequent the cafes :rolleyes:
If you read what Jay asked, he didn't say name a city that has NO cars. He said name one that has fewer cars than bikes. |
No i asked NO cars, or fewer cars.. not fewer than bikes :)
Anyways amsterdam is a great model. Compact city. Easy to walk because of that. Great transit system. Almost no need for a car in the entire country.
But that only comes from smart urban planning. We cannot adopt this model because everything north of bloor is low density. |
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| malek |
Been to Asmterdam too, Amsterdam is an old built up city, built before the car. So obviously there's not much space for cars to begin with, and I don't think they plan on demolishing houses to widen streets for cars, their system is working for them. The City was built and designed without the car in mind, so everything is mighty compact, and with a very mild weather, biking and walking are a real pleasure.
SO their context is very different, yes there's less cars, but there's still alot of them even with an amazing transit system.
Now over here, with our quality of living standards being different, anything under 1000sqf living space is a squeeze. So we built bigger houses, bigger lots (well it used too) and sreets can't be narrow because of our massive snowstorms that turn three lane streets into one lane, barely... plus having bigger, more laid out cities make transit much more expensive, and biking, walking much less interesting.
my 3 cents |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Been to Asmterdam too, Amsterdam is an old built up city, built before the car. So obviously there's not much space for cars to begin with, and I don't think they plan on demolishing houses to widen streets for cars, their system is working for them. The City was built and designed without the car in mind, so everything is mighty compact, and with a very mild weather, biking and walking are a real pleasure.
SO their context is very different, yes there's less cars, but there's still alot of them even with an amazing transit system.
Now over here, with our quality of living standards being different, anything under 1000sqf living space is a squeeze. So we built bigger houses, bigger lots (well it used too) and sreets can't be narrow because of our massive snowstorms that turn three lane streets into one lane, barely... plus having bigger, more laid out cities make transit much more expensive, and biking, walking much less interesting.
my 3 cents |
thats about the jist of it.
i wish the car hating hippies would catch on LOL |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
my 3 cents |
To translate for TOTAs;
1 cent for GST
1 cent for PST
1 cent for lui ostie |
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