UFC is so overrated. MMA lovers can't stop talking about how the sport is unique because of the different fighting styles, but when it all boils down to it, every fight is just straight up striking until they hit the mat, where they exchange submissions.
On paper, it sounds interesting for a guy to come into a fight with a particular style, but it rarely ever plays out that way.
Plus, the mat game in MMA is as exciting as watching paint dry.
StanVoid
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Originally posted by osterzone
Yes.
UFC is so overrated. MMA lovers can't stop talking about how the sport is unique because of the different fighting styles, but when it all boils down to it, every fight is just straight up striking until they hit the mat, where they exchange submissions.
On paper, it sounds interesting for a guy to come into a fight with a particular style, but it rarely ever plays out that way.
Plus, the mat game in MMA is as exciting as watching paint dry.
yeah but ... it's real lol
osterzone
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Originally posted by StanVoid
yeah but ... it's real lol
It doesn't matter if it's not exciting, which is why I like wrestling.
I know wrestling is 100% fake, but I enjoy the acting and stage combat techniques they use during the matches. Wrestling is fighting made interesting.
Like this "spot"...this is interesting:
Two MMA fighters in a dry- man pretzel isn't.
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
Wrestling is fighting made interesting.
lol, no...wrestling is not "fighting" at all. Its completely pretend. Do you really think that in a real fight, the techniques used in professional wrestling would work?
MMA (UFC) is simply a way to determine who is the best all-around fighter on the planet. Boxing champions used to claim to be the best fighters on the planet, but considering their craft only involves punching, thats now false.
Sure, some fights are going to be boring, but thats the case with all sports. Most are not though, especially when you have two top guys squaring off against each other.
osterzone
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Originally posted by zizack
lol, no...wrestling is not "fighting" at all. Its completely pretend. Do you really think that in a real fight, the techniques used in professional wrestling would work?
Where did I ever say that all wrestling moves were completely realistic?
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MMA (UFC) is simply a way to determine who is the best all-around fighter on the planet.
Not every person in the world is involved with MMA. How do you know there isn't someone out there in a poor society that can't afford to fight that could kick GSP's ass?
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Sure, some fights are going to be boring, but thats the case with all sports. Most are not though, especially when you have two top guys squaring off against each other.
I would say 99% of the fights delve down to two guys rolling around in a man pretzel.
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
Where did I ever say that all wrestling moves were completely realistic?
Where did I say that you said that? You classified wrestling as "fighting," which it is not. It is purely entertainment.
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Not every person in the world is involved with MMA. How do you know there isn't someone out there in a poor society that can't afford to fight that could kick GSP's ass?
That man exists...his name is Kimbo Slice, and he got embarassed by some of the WORST MMA fighters in the world. Imagine what would happen is he fought the best...
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I would say 99% of the fights delve down to two guys rolling around in a man pretzel.
So only 1 out of every 100 fights end in KO on the feet? You obviously don't watch much MMA then. Happens quite regularly. What you don't understand, is that REAL fighting DO end up on the ground. Think back to any fights you have ever been in in your life. Did you and your opponent put up your dukes and box it out? lol
REAL fights do naturally end up on the ground. While on the feet, your object is to knock the other guy down...hence where ground fighting comes in.
BTW, talk about a man preztel...
osterzone
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Originally posted by zizack
That man exists...his name is Kimbo Slice, and he got embarassed by some of the WORST MMA fighters in the world. Imagine what would happen is he fought the best...
Because Kimbo represents the over 6 billion people on earth...
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So only 1 out of every 100 fights end in KO on the feet? You obviously don't watch much MMA then. Happens quite regularly. What you don't understand, is that REAL fighting DO end up on the ground. Think back to any fights you have ever been in in your life. Did you and your opponent put up your dukes and box it out? lol
REAL fights do naturally end up on the ground. While on the feet, your object is to knock the other guy down...hence where ground fighting comes in.
Here's how every fight plays out:
DING!
20 second striking period
on the mat
round over
DING!
20 second striking period
on the mat
round over
DING!...
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BTW, talk about a man preztel...
Here's the difference though- wrestling submissions last, at the most, 20 seconds. MMA submissions last the entire fight.
Pete K
You have no ing idea what you're talking about. :lol:
I'm guessing you didn't see the Penn vs Sanchez fight last December? Or just recently Dos Santos knocking Gonzaga the out in matter of a few minutes?
:haha:
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
Because Kimbo represents the over 6 billion people on earth...
I'm not sure what you're argument is here...you think that there is some magical, poor person out there with no fight training / experience that could take out the best MMA fighters in the world? lol
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Here's the difference though- wrestling submissions last, at the most, 20 seconds. MMA submissions last the entire fight.
You obviously don't watch much MMA, if you think that the entire time that fighters spend on the mat is just one long "submission."
Submission attempts are seconds long. Its all about jockeying for position, scoring with strikes on the ground, going for (and defending against) submissions, reversals, etc...
osterzone
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Originally posted by zizack
Submission attempts are seconds long. Its all about jockeying for position, scoring with strikes on the ground, going for (and defending against) submissions, reversals, etc...
I've watched a couple dozen MMA fights and that is how they play out...it's ing boring to watch.
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
I've watched a couple dozen MMA fights and that is how they play out...it's ing boring to watch.
Says you...
I could make a similar statement and say that professional "wrestling" is entertainment for kids in middle school.
If you have time, do me a favor and watch this fight. I have included two versions. One of the unedited fight (its only 6:00 long), and one is more of a highlight of the fight with music and what not. Watch the first one, it includes some history.
Just a little backstory on this one. Sakuraba, the asian guy, used to be THE man in MMA back in the 90's and early 2000's. His nickname is "The Gracie Hunter" because he took so many of them down when they were considered the best in MMA.
Anyway, towards the end of his career, he started to slow down, and is currently a shell of himself. But he is still considered a legend in the MMA world, and especially in Japan. Anyway, this fight happened a few years ago...he went up against some tough European guy, and was getting beaten to , but the refs (being Japanese) refused to count him out and stop the fight...
