BTW, niether of these guys are really relevant in today's MMA world. They aren't nearly on the level of the top guys. I just posted this video to show an aspect of MMA that is completely absent from shows like the WWE...heart. These guy are ACTUALLY fighting, actually getting hurt, getting knocked out, getting their bones broken. If you'd rather watch guys in bikini briefs pretend to get hurt and do boston crabs on each other, fair enough. But, you might want to give the sport another look. You definitely don't seem to know what its about.
zizack
Actually, probably a better video, since you compared MMA to wrestling....
A quick highlight of 3 of the best / worst slams in MMA history.
I guess it goes without saying that these slams were not rehearsed pre-fight.
osterzone
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Originally posted by zizack
BTW, niether of these guys are really relevant in today's MMA world. They aren't nearly on the level of the top guys. I just posted this video to show an aspect of MMA that is completely absent from shows like the WWE...heart. These guy are ACTUALLY fighting, actually getting hurt, getting knocked out, getting their bones broken. If you'd rather watch guys in bikini briefs pretend to get hurt and do boston crabs on each other, fair enough. But, you might want to give the sport another look. You definitely don't seem to know what its about.
The "it's real" argument. Not like I've ever heard that one before...
Who cares what's real and what isn't? Should we not like video games because they're fake too?
It's like the only reason you MMA fans can give on why you think the sport is better than anything else is that it's real.
MMA is like what wrestling was right before 2000- a hot pop culture product that eventually fades away in popularity.
osterzone
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Originally posted by zizack
Says you...
I could make a similar statement and say that professional "wrestling" is entertainment for kids in middle school.
If you have time, do me a favor and watch this fight. I have included two versions. One of the unedited fight (its only 6:00 long), and one is more of a highlight of the fight with music and what not. Watch the first one, it includes some history.
Just a little backstory on this one. Sakuraba, the asian guy, used to be THE man in MMA back in the 90's and early 2000's. His nickname is "The Gracie Hunter" because he took so many of them down when they were considered the best in MMA.
Anyway, towards the end of his career, he started to slow down, and is currently a shell of himself. But he is still considered a legend in the MMA world, and especially in Japan. Anyway, this fight happened a few years ago...he went up against some tough European guy, and was getting beaten to , but the refs (being Japanese) refused to count him out and stop the fight...
Ok so some ref helped him win the fight? What was I supposed to be getting from this?
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
Ok so some ref helped him win the fight? What was I supposed to be getting from this?
lol, no.
The fact that the refs didn't stop the fight was insane and ed up, considering how much damage he took and how ed up he could have gotten. My point is that Sakuraba fought back from being pretty much unconscious and came back to win that fight. Thats drama man...real, actual, non-fake drama. I know you see like that every day in the WWE, but this is not fantasy.
If you don't see entertainment in a fight like that, or the one below, then I guess this is argument is pointless. WWE forever, all the way!
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
It's like the only reason you MMA fans can give on why you think the sport is better than anything else is that it's real.
No. MMA is an amazing sport (the most amazing, in my opinion) because it is the most simplistic and the most primal form of competition you can partake in. Its not a game that requires helmets, or balls, or rackets. Its two guys, in a cage, fighting to the death (obviously, refs are there to step in so people don't actually die or get really seriously hurt). It really is a modern day gladiator sport.
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MMA is like what wrestling was right before 2000- a hot pop culture product that eventually fades away in popularity.
Unfortunately, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. MMA has already eclipsed boxing. 5 years ago or so, the UFC events were pretty much only held in the US. Fast forward to 2010, you can include Canada, Australia, Germany, England, Ireland, Dubai, and soon to be many other places as well. And thats JUST the UFC. There many more organizations in other countriers that have huge followings.
Just to completely settle this argument, here is a list of the top 10 Pay-Per-View Events of 2009. Notice anything? What do you think 2010's ratings will look like? lol
1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million
2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million
3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon
4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys
5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000
6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000
7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000
7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000
9. UFC 99: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000
10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys
osterzone
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Originally posted by zizack
No. MMA an amazing sport (the most amazing, in my opinion) because it is the most simplistic and the most primal form of competition you can partake in. Its not a game that requires helmets, or balls, or rackets. Its two guys, in a cage, fighting to the death (obviously, refs are there to step in so people don't actually die or get really seriously hurt). It really is a modern day gladiator sport.
Look...it can be as cool as you want...but you'll never be able to convince me that ground striking/submissions is entertainment.
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Unfortunately, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. MMA has already eclipsed boxing. 5 years ago or so, the UFC events were pretty much only held in the US. Fast forward to 2010, you can include Canada, Australia, Germany, England, Ireland, Dubai, and soon to be many other places as well. And thats JUST the UFC. There many more organizations in other countriers that have huge followings.
Anything can surpass boxing these days. Boxing got killed due to absurd PPV prices, lack of notable fighters, and too many worthless belts.
Ok so UFC events are being held overseas...big deal. Ice hockey is played in Australia, so I guess that's really taking off too?
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Just to completely settle this argument, here is a list of the top 10 Pay-Per-View Events of 2009. Notice anything? What do you think 2010's ratings will look like? lol
1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million
2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million
3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon
4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys
5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000
6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000
7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000
7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000
9. UFC 99: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000
10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys
This list proves the fact that MMA is a fad sport. And PPV numbers are horribly skewed, considering there are hundreds of thousands of people that watch them online from streaming sites.
zizack
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Originally posted by osterzone
Look...it can be as cool as you want...but you'll never be able to convince me that ground striking/submissions is entertainment.
Fair enough. Like I said, if you find pro-wrestling more entertaining, do your thing man. I was big into wrestling for awhile too. Then again, I was in the 3rd grade... To each his own though I guess.
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Anything can surpass boxing these days. Boxing got killed due to absurd PPV prices, lack of notable fighters, and too many worthless belts.
Half of what you say is true. I was a HUGE boxing fan 10 years ago. I got back into MMA about 5 years ago, and I have since completely lost interest in boxing. The same can be said for many ex-boxing enthusiasts. Why watch two guys JUST punch each other, when you can watch two guys punch, kick, knee, elbow, choke, arm bar (etc...) each other? The people in boxing are ting themselves over MMA, trying to disparage it any chance they get. Its not working.
Boxing did a lot of this to themselves, but MMA put the nail in the coffin.
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Ok so UFC events are being held overseas...big deal. Ice hockey is played in Australia, so I guess that's really taking off too?
:conf: Are Australian Hockey games filling up the Acer Superdome in Sydney? UFC 110 did, and the card wasn't even that good.
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This list proves the fact that MMA is a fad sport. And PPV numbers are horribly skewed, considering there are hundreds of thousands of people that watch them online from streaming sites.
The fact that the UFC dominated PPV buys last year indicates that its a fad? How does that work? The UFC WAS a fad in the 90s when it was billed as a bare-knuckle, no holds-barred event. The fad DID go away, and then exploded back when the UFC launched the first season of "The Ultimate Fighter." To suggest the ensuing 5 years has been a conitnuation of that fad is just, well, not true. Its mainstream, and here to stay.
DOOMBOT
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Originally posted by zizack
Actually, probably a better video, since you compared MMA to wrestling....
A quick highlight of 3 of the best / worst slams in MMA history.
I guess it goes without saying that these slams were not rehearsed pre-fight.
That slam on Emelianenko is still crazy to watch. I can't believe he turns around and wins that fight after a slam like that.
zizack
6 for 6 with my picks. :)
Pretty entertaining card too.
I actually like Hardy a lot more now...he came off like a bit of a douche leading up to the fight, but the guy has got some heart.
And, really looking forward to the Lesnar - Carwin fight. if anyone can give Brock problems in the UFC right now, its Carwin.
Sandman1130
LMAO... of all the videos to post you post TNA videos LMAO..thats some funny stuff. Atleast if your going to try and defend wrestling go back to the ECW early days in the late 90's and early 2000. With barbed wire matchs and thumbtacks. Or even the stuff from Japan with the exploding ring death matches or tanks filled with glass and tacks. But TNA?? TNA???? its un watchable all wrestling. Its getting so bad that all these companys are still using 50 and 60 and even 70 year old wrestlers still. Come on RIC FLAIR and HOGAN still in the game. You cant even compare wrestling to MMA. Why do you think all these wrestlers who have some athletic talent are now moving to MMA. Pro wrestling is a joke and as said once earlier its just pure entertainment and its even to a point now its not entertaining. Its the same old and played out bits they recycle year after year just with diffrent characters.
osterzone
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Originally posted by Sandman1130
LMAO... of all the videos to post you post TNA videos LMAO..thats some funny stuff. Atleast if your going to try and defend wrestling go back to the ECW early days in the late 90's and early 2000. With barbed wire matchs and thumbtacks. Or even the stuff from Japan with the exploding ring death matches or tanks filled with glass and tacks.
So I take it you like garbage wrestling...with all the blading and weapons...
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But TNA?? TNA???? its un watchable all wrestling. Its getting so bad that all these companys are still using 50 and 60 and even 70 year old wrestlers still. Come on RIC FLAIR and HOGAN still in the game. You cant even compare wrestling to MMA. Why do you think all these wrestlers who have some athletic talent are now moving to MMA. Pro wrestling is a joke and as said once earlier its just pure entertainment and its even to a point now its not entertaining. Its the same old and played out bits they recycle year after year just with diffrent characters.
MMA is the same thing...the same fights over and over.
And TNA of the last few months isn't TNA of the past 6-7 years.
