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How much will you pay to stop others from killing themselves? (TTC guard rails) (pg. 2)
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| MissK |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
If they are considering it now it tells me there has probably been a recent lawsuit where the city was found liable. Its simply a risk management assessment that has probably shown its cheaper to spend the 800 million on a suicide barrier then to pay out future claims. |
You sound so sure that they have done this 'assessment'. I wouldn't put so much trust in our systems.
To me the math does not add up. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by MissK
You sound so sure that they have done this 'assessment'. I wouldn't put so much trust in our systems.
To me the math does not add up. |
Any large city has a risk management department which would oversee anything like this. The city isn't going to spend this much money on something just to save a few lives....in reality they could care less about saving peoples lives...unless its going to save them money. If this is being brought up now its because they have recently done a risk assessment, probably because they just paid somebody a load of money in a liability claim because someone got hit by a train....whether because of suicide, somebody falling onto the tracks or something else. The cost to build these and maintain them is going to be less then the cost of payouts in future claims. Having this system will pretty much eliminate liability claims for these types of incidents.
Multiple Million Dollar settlements wouldn't be unheard of for very serious injury claims or death claims. You don't need that many claims to make it worthwhile....although I think their assessment of the cost to build all this is high. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I wouldn't pay anything to save someone's life however; if I would pay extra to make sure some idiot didn't make me late for a business appointment by throwing themselves onto the tracks. |
yes, but you have to also think about the train coming into the station and having to line up with the door. this will take time away from the ride too.
it has to slow down and automatically and slowly line up with the doors.
also, if you run for the train, now you are able to jump on at the last minute but now you will need to clear two doors.
dangerous. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
yes, but you have to also think about the train coming into the station and having to line up with the door. this will take time away from the ride too.
it has to slow down and automatically and slowly line up with the doors.
also, if you run for the train, now you are able to jump on at the last minute but now you will need to clear two doors.
dangerous. |
those delays are minimal |
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| MissK |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Any large city has a risk management department which would oversee anything like this. The city isn't going to spend this much money on something just to save a few lives....in reality they could care less about saving peoples lives...unless its going to save them money. If this is being brought up now its because they have recently done a risk assessment, probably because they just paid somebody a load of money in a liability claim because someone got hit by a train....whether because of suicide, somebody falling onto the tracks or something else. The cost to build these and maintain them is going to be less then the cost of payouts in future claims. Having this system will pretty much eliminate liability claims for these types of incidents.
Multiple Million Dollar settlements wouldn't be unheard of for very serious injury claims or death claims. You don't need that many claims to make it worthwhile....although I think their assessment of the cost to build all this is high. |
The Toronto Transit Commission is not suggesting this is due to liability claims.
Your points make sense but they seem to be pulled from thin air. |
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| Stilez |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
so, how long is the delay when one of those suicides actually happen? lol |
I believe on CBC last night, they said something along the lines of an additional 40min per day at peak times.
When someone kills themselves, it's been well stated that the TTC doesn't inform the public, because they don't want to promote or advertise everytime someone kills themselves, or tries to.
I'm not thrilled about the timing or the cost, but the idea is something that will be beneficial in regards to the long delays that are associated with suicides, and prevention of suicides. Also, the 'sans driver' aspect is extremely appealing. It's a long overdue idea, and something (as someone already mentioned) that could've been implemented over the last 10 years for less, but the union prevented that.
Better now than later, cause we all know the longer they wait, the more it'll cost. |
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| jester |
| It should come out the pocket of the people that tried to kill them self or did kill them self. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by MissK
The Toronto Transit Commission is not suggesting this is due to liability claims.
Your points make sense but they seem to be pulled from thin air. |
No company would come out and say they are making changes because of liability claims....that just opens the door for more claims.
No large company spends money like this just to save the lives of a few people. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stilez
I believe on CBC last night, they said something along the lines of an additional 40min per day at peak times.
When someone kills themselves, it's been well stated that the TTC doesn't inform the public, because they don't want to promote or advertise everytime someone kills themselves, or tries to. |
Yup, they have a 'suicide clean up crew', which has a turn around time of 45min.
I know one of the Toronto coroners, who gets called by the TTC for this stuff. It happens so often! Some of the stories are truly shocking/gruesome. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| I once heard that every time the TTC is delayed is b/c someone has just commit suicide. |
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| VDub |
Waste of money just as the Bloor Viaduct barrier was...
Now they go up to the Leaside Bridge and jump (one in front of me once!!!)
I propose that the trains come into the station slower...
Half speed would be more then enough to stop in time... |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Waste of money just as the Bloor Viaduct barrier was...
Now they go up to the Leaside Bridge and jump (one in front of me once!!!)
I propose that the trains come into the station slower...
Half speed would be more then enough to stop in time... |
its not a waste of money if it prevents lawsuits....they could care less about people killing themselves....as long as they kill themselves on someone else's property. |
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