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Tiesto - In Search Of Sunrise 1 : Unmixed [Songbird] (pg. 2)
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| Nostalgic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
The last half of the CD has some pretty damn awful and very formulaic epic trance, particularly those Lange-tunes. The whole CD, in fact, is marred by lack of variation and being one big string of anthems one after another, a typical trademark of Tiesto's sets back then. It's one of the reasons I could never get into the Magik-series much, despite having some gems every now and then.
I also can't see the big deal about that Marc Vision-track, to be honest. It's very typical german epic trance of that era, complete with tremolo, offbeat basslines and those annoying one finger-melodies that people seemed to use in abundance as 1999 went by.
I'll take stuff like LN Movement - Golden Desert and Fortress - An Angel Saved My Life (Mark Shimmon Remix) over this any day.
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So you don't like uplifting 1999 epic trance. I do. We can all agree to disagree. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
So you don't like uplifting 1999 epic trance. I do. We can all agree to disagree. |
Not at all. I like plenty of "uplifting" 1999 trancers:
VDM - Dark Angel
Chakra & Edi Mis - X-File '99
Kamaya Painters - Soft Light
Nemo - Spacemaker (Push Remix)
Discodroids - Interspace
Denzel D - Bluster Of The Storm
Afterburn - Frattboy
Allure - When She Left (Wavestate Remix)
Many of which I'm pretty sure Tiesto has played himself. The point is that the ones on this CD just aren't very good for the reasons I just mentioned, and they take up far too much time in the mix to get a decent flow going. Then again, getting a decent flow going was never Tiesto's forte to begin with. |
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| Lews |
Hey, you'll hear no argument from me here. This isn't a great album However, for me, it's a very enjoyable one. I don't particularly like the Lange tunes that much, and I do agree that the second half of the CD is formulaic, but I love the first half and do enjoy the second half.
It's not quite as bad as the Oakenfold style of mixing, but it is close. But, like Oakenfold, the songs save it, in my opinion.
I really enjoyed the first three Magik's. They had a variety of unknown tracks and aren't just anthem with huge breakdown after another. That started to disappear by three, though it was still good, but by four it was really noticeable.
By the time he got sued for the artwork and switched it, the new albums were just the same old thing, though there were still some great tracks (a product of the times, imo).
That said, I completely agree with everything else you said. Golden Desert is a killer track and ISOS 2 had a lot of great tracks, albeit god awful mixing at some points.
I've always wondered about Forbidden Paradise, from the legal stand point. I mean, who owns those tracks? Couldn't they re-release them? Surely they have the rights to it. Black Hole is still selling albums that have Platipus tracks on them, and Platipus just went out of business. Can't they continue using the rights that they had originally?
Those albums were brilliant. So many amazing tracks *sigh*
I have no idea how Tiesto can look himself in the mirror these days. Going from those mixes to his current .
I'm always happy when I can find on Beatport or on vinyl an old track from those albums. |
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| Nostalgic |
| So your beef isn't with the songs being bad themselves, but the lack of flow in the mix with the tracks that are played. Well I can certainly understand that. There's a difference between saying the individual tracks on the mix sucks and that the mix itself sucks because it lacks flow. |
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| Lews |
Yes... but the point is that there is a flow problem and tracks.
Which, as I just said in my huge ass horribly written post, is true. There are some gems here that I love, but then there are some other songs that just aren't that great. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
So your beef isn't with the songs being bad themselves, but the lack of flow in the mix with the tracks that are played. |
It's both. Read again.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I've always wondered about Forbidden Paradise, from the legal stand point. I mean, who owns those tracks? Couldn't they re-release them? Surely they have the rights to it. Black Hole is still selling albums that have Platipus tracks on them, and Platipus just went out of business. Can't they continue using the rights that they had originally?
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I'm not a legal expert on this by any means, but I don't think you get the right to sell tracks from your mixcd as single tracks when you license them. I'd guess this is why vinyl samplers from mixcds/compilations end up with those particular tracks they end up with. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I'm not a legal expert on this by any means, but I don't think you get the right to sell tracks from your mixcd as single tracks when you license them. I'd guess this is why vinyl samplers from mixcds/compilations end up with those particular tracks they end up with. |
I didn't think so either, but that seems to be changing a lot lately with the advent of this sort of thing. Albums being released with the songs both unmixed and mixed.
And if it's not legal, then this shouldn't have just been released, since a good amount of these songs are all from defunct labels.
And either way, Guardian Angel should re-release them on mixed cds. They're impossible to find now unless you pirate them. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| Keep in mind that the Forbidden Paradise-series is quite different from Magik, or any other successful series Tiesto is known for (the two first volumes are acid techno/gabber, were not released on Songbird and were mixed by Arny Bink instead). There probably wouldn't be much money to gain from reissuing them at this point, even if you focused on just the later volumes of the series. Tiesto is a pop star now. He left that kind of market and listener base ages ago. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Keep in mind that the Forbidden Paradise-series is quite different from Magik, or any other successful series Tiesto is known for (the two first volumes are acid techno/gabber, were not released on Songbird and were mixed by Arny Bink instead). There probably wouldn't be much money to gain from reissuing them at this point, even if you focused on just the later volumes of the series. Tiesto is a pop star now. He left that kind of market and listener base ages ago. |
Meh. I know. In fact, Tiesto probably doesn't want them released. It would confuse his fans to hear actual trance. They'd hate not only Arny's, but the 3-5 too, as they were pretty damn hard. Wasn't until Valley of Fire (think that's the name of six) that he started to embrace more of the melodic stuff.
I just think that Basic Beat Recordings could do it. It wouldn't cost them any money, would it? Just money to gain from trance fans / collectors. Wish I knew more of the legality behind this sort of thing.
It's sad to see how people like that change. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nostalgic
Outright e? Like what? |
Walhalla, Remember, I Believe... even at the height of my teenage trancecracker-dom I couldn't stand I Believe. I've had Reachers of Civilisation on the flip of a York single for years and haven't played it since I bought it. I'm also going to throw it out there that Far From Over is one of the most over-rated trance tracks ever, which I hated at the time and have even less patience for now. I've never heard that Yahel track before, but the sample sounds laughable. |
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| trancedanne |
| yeah i agree that Far From Over is so damn overrated, always when Oliver Lieb is mentioned most people always brings up his remix of this track which imo is a really boring track |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| Picked up 'Billie Ray Martin - Honey (Chicane club mix)'. LOVE this track! |
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