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Michael Burns - We Will Fade [Trance / Progressive / Breaks] [MIST056] (pg. 3)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Please define what is "proper progressive house" to you. |
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This is in no way a definitive list or anything, just a quick copy paste from iTunes:
Aldrin & Akien - Maybe Tomorrow (Regrooved Mix)
Ashland - Clear (Charlie May Vocal Mix)
Blue Room Project - Out of Area (Habersham & Numinous Mix)
Chab feat. JD Davis - Closer to Me (Renaissance Mix)
Datar - B (Danny's Love Parade 2000 Dub)
Dave Brennan - Drink Deep (Original Mix)
Deep C & Randall Jones - Darkness (Blakhook Remix)
Drax & Gooding - Twister
Hernán Cattáneo - Satellites
Hernán Cattáneo - Deeper Layers
Jono Fernandez & Luke Chable - Come to Me (Original Mix)
Lexicon Avenue - Why R U Here (The House Heads Mix)
Mara - Shake That Thing (Gene Carbonell Remix)
Medway - Release (Lexicon Avenue Remix)
Omid 16B - Rock-et (Original)
Pole Folder - Salvation On Slavery Sins (Pole Folder Regenerated Mix)
PQM - You Are Sleeping (PQM Meets Luke Chable Dub Pass)
Sasha - Cloud Cuckoo (Luke Chable Remix)
Tigerhook pres. Randall Jones & Philip Charles - Cold Dark Stars (Original Mix)
Stuff like that. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
That isn't "proper" progressive house. That all looks like early-00s era stuff. "Proper" progressive house would be stuff from 1991 by names like Leftfield, React 2 Rhythm, DOP, Havana, Lemon Interrupt, etc.
Really, the progressive house you like isn't "proper" at all. It's a little flash in the pan sound from a few years halfway through progressive house's existence, probably from just around the time you first start listening to progressive house. Prog had already radically changed to become that sound you wanted, and now you're complaining that it's carried on changing. Really, you don't want "proper" progressive house at all. You just want to preserve a small section of music that you liked at a formative stage in your tastes, forever. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That isn't "proper" progressive house. That all looks like early-00s era stuff. "Proper" progressive house would be stuff from 1991 by names like Leftfield, React 2 Rhythm, DOP, Havana, Lemon Interrupt, etc.
Really, the progressive house you like isn't "proper" at all. It's a little flash in the pan sound from a few years halfway through progressive house's existence, probably from just around the time you first start listening to progressive house. Prog had already radically changed to become that sound you wanted, and now you're complaining that it's carried on changing. Really, you don't want "proper" progressive house at all. You just want to preserve a small section of music that you liked at a formative stage in your tastes, forever. |
I'm not a fan of the early progressive house. I think it's mostly very annoying. What's your point though? I don't like that and i certainly don't like this cheesy twinky "prog". I like what I like and I don't like what I don't like and I'm only stating my opinions here. I have no problems with prog house changing. I just don't like the way it has changed at all. You apparently do and you seem to have a problem with me calling it and cheesy.
Do you think the stuff released today by Anjunadeep and such is more proper than what i consider proper progressive house? |
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| trancedanne |
Well i posted the anjunadeep examples but i never said it was "proper progressive house" however i think its 1 of 2 labels that are verry consistent in releasing quality progressive house music.
I dont know what you mean by "twinky prog", the only reason this particular release sucks is because of the vocals. Do you also dislike the Michael & Levan remix? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by trancedanne
Well i posted the anjunadeep examples but i never said it was "proper progressive house" however i think its 1 of 2 labels that are verry consistent in releasing quality progressive house music.
I dont know what you mean by "twinky prog", the only reason this particular release sucks is because of the vocals. Do you also dislike the Michael & Levan remix? |
From what I've seen it seems like we have a completely different idea of what is quality prog house. From the Beatport samples I'd say that the original sounds the best. I did not like the vocals, but they weren't the most horrible thing ever. I could see them working in some track if done right, but none of the mixes made them work IMO. He has used similar vocals before and they've been made to work. For example:
Cardboard - A Thought About You (U&K's LoveLez Remix)
Michael Burns pres. Blue Haze - Into Nothing (Hamel's Last Time for 9 Mix)
Mic Burns - See Me Fall (Matthew Dekay & Proluctors Remix)
And no, I did not like the Michael & Levan and Stiven Rivic Remix. It sounded too hollow for me. Nothing in it caught my attention.
If you check out some of the tunes I posted earlier on when System-J was asking what I think is proper prog house you should be able to hear how it differs from what you have posted. I personally think Anjunadeep is trance and not prog house. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
Do you think the stuff released today by Anjunadeep and such is more proper than what i consider proper progressive house? |
I don't really give a how "proper" any of it is. In my opinion, there has been no "proper" progressive house since the mid-90s, but I really don't think that's important. My problem is that you are being a conservative about it, you're creating this pretentious little box you call "proper" progressive house, even though it isn't proper at all. You're equating your tastes with propriety, and what's more nothing is ever going to be "proper" unless it fits this very small sound that fits what you were listening to when your tastes formed. You don't like classic prog house, you don't like the new stuff. You only like a little window of prog house.
Right now, I really cannot ing stand snobby conservatives, because you have no ing ground to talk down on things. I have absolutely no problem with elitism provided the person actually has a broad mind and an open mind. Based on what I've seen you post, you do not.
And this is not because you slated the track. I don't like this track. I don't like a lot of what Mistiquemusic puts out right now, and I've said as much in this thread. But Mistique puts out a variety of stuff - they put out some darker prog, some spacey twinkly stuff, they put out floaty trance, ambient breaks, occasional tech house and even deep house. And when they get it right, they produce some awesome stuff. Kay-D's album is one of the best of the year. Timewave's EP is fantastic. Maindave's EP was beautiful. The second VA Comp was a pleasant surprise. If you like progressive house and you're writing off everything this label does, it says one of two things:
1) You don't want to crate dig and find the great music. You're happy to walk into a thread for a track people are slating and say "If it's all like this then I don't want to know" - in which case you don't deserve to know.
2) You've drawn up an incredibly rigid idea of what makes progressive "proper" and you dismiss everything that doesn't fit the bill.
I have no sympathy for either mindset. |
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I'm not the one who came up with the term proper progressive house here. I just pointed out that this isn't it IMO. And like I said, if the new "proper prog house" is all like this and that Anjunadeep stuff, I don't want to hear it. I don't know if it is or not, but I think I will find out at some point when I have the stuff to check out what Mistiquemusic has released. And like I already said, I've given Anjunadeep a chance multiple times and so far I haven't liked a single thing I've heard from them, so I'm not gonna keep checking their stuff out unless something changes over there.
I really still don't understand what your problem is. It seems like you're making too much assumptions based on the fact that I said that I don't like this track or any of the Anjunadeep stuff I've heard and am not interested in hearing more stuff like it. That does not mean that
1) I don't want to crate dig and find the great music. I'm happy to walk into a thread for a track people are slating and say "If it's all like this then I don't want to know"
2) I've drawn up an incredibly rigid idea of what makes progressive "proper" and I dismiss everything that doesn't fit the bill.
I have no idea how you've made such assumptions based on what I've said. I search for new tunes almost daily (depending on how busy I'm with life), but as my time is limited I try not to dig on the tiest of the piles (Anjunadeep for example) and rather search elsewhere where the chance of finding something I like is greater.
And I have only "defined" proper prog house because you asked me to. I do not make such definitions and limitations with music normally as they're quite limiting and useless. But I still do know what I like and what I don't like. And I do have some classic prog house and some modern twinkly "prog house" but neither of those genres is a big favorite of mine so I have not spent as much energy looking for gems in those genres as I have spent in some other genres where the probability of me finding stuff I like is bigger. Simple as that really.  |
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| SYSTEM-J |
If you were using the word "proper" because trancedanne did first, then I apologise for making that assumption. But after what you've said here and in the Union Jack thread I get a distinct impression that you write off a hell of a lot of music for not fitting small parameters. I mean, you manage to call both AOT's Persia and what Mistique releases twinkly mcprog and write them both off as a result.
And again: it's been made very clear that Mistique releases a huge amount of stuff and a lot of it isn't like this track at all. So why say "If it's all like this then I don't want to hear it"? Dig through the catalogue a little before you write such a prolific label off.
What progressive house/trance/breaks labels do you follow? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
If you were using the word "proper" because trancedanne did first, then I apologise for making that assumption. But after what you've said here and in the Union Jack thread I get a distinct impression that you write off a hell of a lot of music for not fitting small parameters. I mean, you manage to call both AOT's Persia and what Mistique releases twinkly mcprog and write them both off as a result.
And again: it's been made very clear that Mistique releases a huge amount of stuff and a lot of it isn't like this track at all. So why say "If it's all like this then I don't want to hear it"? Dig through the catalogue a little before you write such a prolific label off.
What progressive house/trance/breaks labels do you follow? |
I didn't call Persia twinkly prog. I said it was twinkly prog influenced. Quite a difference there. And I didn't write either of them off because they were twinkly prog, but because I didn't like either and thought they really had nothing to them. Like I've said before, I have my fair share of twinkly prog tunes in my collection. I personally think there's good stuff in most genres (almost any genre, dunno about terrorcore or something like that). I also don't have any parameters that music has to fit in order for me to like it. It just has to sound good to me, simple as that. What sounds good to me or anyone else and why is a whole different subject though and something I would like to see scientifically researched in a thorough way.
My main gripe here is maybe the fact that when someone writes about "great prog house" or something like that, you really have no way of knowing what kind of music to expect because there are at least three different types of "prog house" around, the early stuff, the kind of stuff I enjoy most and this new stuff. They all sound rather different to each other and IMO the latter two don't have much in common (can't really comment much on early prog house as I haven't looked that much into it).
Anyway I think the modern stuff has evolved more from trance than prog house and both existed side by side when "mcprog" first came. I cannot remember who came up with the term mcprog, but I do remember that it was related to wanting to separate these two different kinds of music from each other. That term didn't take off though as it's derogatory as thus not very much used by people who actually listen to the stuff. I would personally love it if there would be a better name for this new stuff as I don't think they're similar enough to be both called progressive house. But that's how it goes for some reason. Rock these days means something totally different than it did in the 60s for example and trance, progressive trance, tech trance, techno… all have referred (and still do) to various different styles, depending on the era it was released on.
I will admit that i have a negative bias towards "mcprog" because usually I'm expecting a different type of prog house and am thus negatively surprised. And I also much prefer the kind of prog house that i listed to the newer stuff. I think Schultz and his buddies should have come up with a different name for the stuff. But what can you do.
I said that "If it's all like this then I don't want to hear it", because that is my honest opinion. If modern prog is like that, then I don't want to hear it as it doesn't have anything in it that interests me. It means nothing more than that. I don't know what kind of stuff Mistiquemusic has released. I've only heard a few others in some dark prog thread in music discussion and they weren't anything special either, but still better than this stuff. Still, I'm willing to check what they have to offer.
I can't really list any labels that I follow, prog house or not. My music searching patterns are more random than following certain labels. Especially in the past they've been way more random. I've been trying to make it more systematic in a way for a while now. I also have the worst memory, so I can't remember labels that easily and I've been mainly buying techno lately and stuff that I've known I want for ages.
All the labels that I can think of off the top of my head are now releasing something I don't particularly like. Bedrock, Renaissance, Saw, Hooj Choons, Audio Therapy….
I'd like to have a bunch of good prog house labels to follow though, but I haven't found any worth following. I haven't been looking either as I've been busy with other genres and other stuff than music.
Sorry for the marathon post. I've never been good at expressing myself in a short way. |
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| stevebutabi |
| Extremely happy to see Michael making music again. He's one of my favorite EDM artists and a classy guy as well. |
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| Adam420 |
| Hey Jack what do you think about the label Outside the Box? Just went through some of their newer releases yesterday and it seems pretty solid. |
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