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Obama and the oil spill (pg. 4)
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| Skipper |
| Oh - Obama is speaking tonight specifically on the spill. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
funny but hurricanes are a much bigger disaster and people demanded that a lot be done a lot faster during katrina.
double standards.
As i said, send in FEMA to start distributing aid and the army to start cleaning up the beaches.
Unreal the free pass everyone is giving obama. |
Hmm...Jayx unbalanced comparison #134543653408
Katrina: hurricane they saw coming, and didn't do a damn thing. Responsibility of a federal organization, specifically set up to deal with natural disasters.
Oil Leak: privately owned/operated oil rig springs a 'leak'. Their responsibility to fix.
Yes, this whole ordeal is out of hand, and it needs to be stopped. But the difficulty of stopping a leak like this is just crazy, and it is hard for engineers to figure out what to do. Katrina? Get people out of the area when you already have a warning.
Somebody has said it before, but I think it needs to be stated again. BP has far more resources than the gov to deal with it. The gov doesn't just have oil rig equipment sitting around which allows them to go down and plug something like this. Plus, it takes time/planning to build proper equipment that can do this.
The real failure was the lack of an environmental assessment, and disaster plan. This was a clear failure of the government to not ask for these things. How much of that is 'Obama's fault', I don't know. But as with most things that have gone wrong in the last 1.5 years, I'll put good money that it was a previous administration that ed things up. |
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| jester |
One thing I am surprised the price of petrol and products that are made from it have not gone up in price. I thought we were running out of oil and what not :crazy: :stongue:
BP loses about 40,000 barrels a day and its been 55 days. Thats 2.2 million barrels. That equals 349 772.049 m3 :crazy:
What of waste of petrol and our environment.
I wonder what kind of thing BP trying to come up with to make people pay more for oil :crazy: |
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| nacarter |
A couple of things I'd like to point out. If there is a government failure here, it is one of excessive deregulation - that is not Obama's fault though, and you can bet your ass that new regulations are coming at record speed in the next session of congress.
Hmmmm... seems like a cautionary tale to those who want the government to get out of everything
If the government is going to get involved with the cleanup, it will be the military nuking the seabed PERMANENTLY sealing the leak. This is the last resort option though.
Is Obama getting a free ride on this? Perhaps a little, but as stated by a number of other posters, the circumstances here versus Katrina are COMPLETELY different. Government incompetence didn't cause this problem - the laissez-faire economic philosophy did. Government incompetence won't fix it either - unless you want to go to the scorched earth approach. At least with allowing BP to handle the situation, the expertise is on-site, and there is SOME possibility of recovering oil to pay for the massive lawsuits that are coming. |
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| Magnetonium |
OK, so eventually BP is going to shut down the leak. Then what?
Cleaning up the mess will be even more challenging.
I doubt they can ever fully clean up that mess, and will need nature's help in diluting this mess ... 380 million litres of oil leaked over a very large area (as of today), increasing, and constantly spreading / moving. Also, a considerable quantity of oil is dissolving in the water, creating hazardous conditions for the marine life. Oil plumes have now entered the major ocean current that goes around Florida and into Gulf Stream.
You can throw all the money at this spill now, but the damage will be hard to reverse.
Also, BP's long-running habit for giving environment and health/safety a low priority will likely continue, as they have failed to improve on their past violations and fines. They had serious accidents in the past, which were hardly a deterrent. Why are we defending BP? Why say that they are doing all they can to fix this problem? They are not trying out of their will, but because they are forced to throw everything at the spill minus the kitchen sink to see what works. They are not in control of the situation. They're helpless, hopeless.
Throughout this entire disaster BP has continuously lied about the progress, by downgrading the numbers/statistics such the oil leak flow rates, saying that the situation is not as bad, that the fix has a great chance of success. They even strongly rejected the idea that there are underwater oil plumes even when there is scientific evidence for their existence. They tried to prevent live video feeds of the repair work done at the underwater site, tried many means of hiding the truth from the public. Then Obama forced them to air them.
Oh, also BP insisted in drilling only one relief well, and thankfully Obama demanded that they drill two.
All this only shows, that even despite the horrific situation at hand, BP is still using its greedy and selfish mindset to keep their efforts to the minimum. I hope they go down and cease to exist as a company from this disaster, it would be a slap in the face if BP re-emerges as a cut-throat scorched-earth resource exploiter and greedy corporation. Some things can never change. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
One thing I am surprised the price of petrol and products that are made from it have not gone up in price. I thought we were running out of oil and what not :crazy: :stongue:
BP loses about 40,000 barrels a day and its been 55 days. Thats 2.2 million barrels. That equals 349 772.049 m3 :crazy:
What of waste of petrol and our environment.
I wonder what kind of thing BP trying to come up with to make people pay more for oil :crazy: |
40k barrels is nothing compared to the 80 000 000 barrels produced every day. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
OK, so eventually BP is going to shut down the leak. Then what?
Cleaning up the mess will be even more challenging.
I doubt they can ever fully clean up that mess, and will need nature's help in diluting this mess ... 380 million litres of oil leaked over a very large area (as of today), increasing, and constantly spreading / moving. Also, a considerable quantity of oil is dissolving in the water, creating hazardous conditions for the marine life. Oil plumes have now entered the major ocean current that goes around Florida and into Gulf Stream.
You can throw all the money at this spill now, but the damage will be hard to reverse.
Also, BP's long-running habit for giving environment and health/safety a low priority will likely continue, as they have failed to improve on their past violations and fines. They had serious accidents in the past, which were hardly a deterrent. Why are we defending BP? Why say that they are doing all they can to fix this problem? They are not trying out of their will, but because they are forced to throw everything at the spill minus the kitchen sink to see what works. They are not in control of the situation. They're helpless, hopeless.
Throughout this entire disaster BP has continuously lied about the progress, by downgrading the numbers/statistics such the oil leak flow rates, saying that the situation is not as bad, that the fix has a great chance of success. They even strongly rejected the idea that there are underwater oil plumes even when there is scientific evidence for their existence. They tried to prevent live video feeds of the repair work done at the underwater site, tried many means of hiding the truth from the public. Then Obama forced them to air them.
Oh, also BP insisted in drilling only one relief well, and thankfully Obama demanded that they drill two.
All this only shows, that even despite the horrific situation at hand, BP is still using its greedy and selfish mindset to keep their efforts to the minimum. I hope they go down and cease to exist as a company from this disaster, it would be a slap in the face if BP re-emerges as a cut-throat scorched-earth resource exploiter and greedy corporation. Some things can never change. |
Did you know that every year 4 times as much as the current BP oil spill is lost in the oceans ??
You don't hear about it and it's not being cleaned. OIL is a natural ressource and is dissected by diverse bacterias in the ocean. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| It hasn't even gotten interesting yet. The cleanup is going to be in the 50-60 Billion Dollar range. BP has said they have approximately 20 Billion......so what will happen when BP files bankruptcy???? |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
One thing I am surprised the price of petrol and products that are made from it have not gone up in price. I thought we were running out of oil and what not :crazy: :stongue:
BP loses about 40,000 barrels a day and its been 55 days. Thats 2.2 million barrels. That equals 349 772.049 m3 :crazy:
What of waste of petrol and our environment.
I wonder what kind of thing BP trying to come up with to make people pay more for oil :crazy: |
Bumps on the graph: daily supply and demand
3 month moves: bear/bull market
10 year moves: pre/post peak production |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Did you know that every year 4 times as much as the current BP oil spill is lost in the oceans ??
You don't hear about it and it's not being cleaned. OIL is a natural ressource and is dissected by diverse bacterias in the ocean. |
Well then we dont have to worry about the damage to the Lousiana's fragile marine sanctuary, eh? Let just let the nature clean up the entire mess ... its very natural for oil deposits to leaks thousands of barrels of oil per day. This spill is quite natural, not to worry about it! :sarcasm:
What you're saying would be quite insulting to the thousands of people who are losing their livelihoods, jobs, tourism devastated, and fish spawning grounds decimated by the oil cover. Too bad you're not from Louisiana, because I wonder how you'd be talking about it if you lived in the affected areas. Spill is looking quite natural, doesnt it?
In any case, oil is not leaking in any one place in such amounts from natural causes. This is a man-made disaster, so obviously it is very different and the results, accordingly, are very devastasting. It is wrong to compare natural slow seeping of oil fragments and minerals into oceans (whatever the theoretical oil leak there might be), and the man-made disasters.
And if you're really gonna talk about spilling of stuff into oceans, you should know that oil spills are just a tip of the iceberg, when it comes to the big problem at hand. There are also many other kinds of man-made acts of pollution of the oceans: world-famous Pacific Garbage Patch, as a result of people dumping all kinds of waste into the oceans, including raw sewage, toxic chemicals/waste, garbage, and plastics, etc.
No wonder why our oceans have become more acidic in the recent decades. It is no longer safe to eat fish because of bioacumulation of chemicals and toxins, and the typically constant human logic that one small spill or act of pollution is no big deal. Adding them all together, however, is a BIG DEAL. This disaster is a BIG DEAL, mainly because it is a large spill in a very concentrated area which has a very sensitive marine zone, on which many people and marine life depend on for way of life, living, and survival.
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
It hasn't even gotten interesting yet. The cleanup is going to be in the 50-60 Billion Dollar range. BP has said they have approximately 20 Billion......so what will happen when BP files bankruptcy???? |
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| yankeeBaby |
| This is absolutely the most retarded thread I have ever read. For so many reasons, that I wont comment, because I dont even feel like engaging in such a lengthy discussion filled with nonsense. |
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