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Obama and the oil spill (pg. 7)
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
If you REALLY want to boycott them, get rid of your vehicle and use some other method of transportation.
Then you'll be making difference. |
lol
petrol is everywhere, vehicles are just a small part of the picture. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by exraver
If you REALLY want to boycott them, get rid of your vehicle and use some other method of transportation.
Then you'll be making difference. |
I actually wonder how much automobile use accounts for ones overall petroleum usage - as Malek said, oil is needed everywhere - particularly in plastics, which are everywhere. |
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| Magnetonium |
Yes, oil is not just gasoline, but countless products that we use every day. I am merely on a crusade against the evil corporations/groups/countries/individuals that do considerable harm.
Talk about BP ... their CEO was grilled by the Congressmen the other day. And as usual, BP was very witty with their tactics to deflect/ignore the main questions.
EDIT: Does it make sense that a CEO would attend a major meeting, and come with no information whatsoever to give. Either call this poor preparation ... or intentional campaign. He probably should not even have showed up, as he hardly gave any insights that were of help to understand the whole mess.
Read more details on BBC News article, link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us...da/10337146.stm
Highlights:
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House committee on energy and commerce chairman Henry Waxman said BP's "complacency" before the 20 April rig explosion had been "astonishing".
He accused Mr Hayward of "stonewalling" for failing to answer his questions.
Over and over, the BP chief refused to agree with the conclusions of a group of angry, hostile Congressmen and women who seemed in no doubt, after their own lengthy enquiries, that BP had shown a reckless lack of attention to safety, Paul Adams reports.
Infuriated by Mr Hayward's inability or unwillingness to answer their questions, committee members resorted to expressing their disgust, more than one saying he felt insulted.
Despite BP efforts to contain the leak, oil continues to enter the sea, threatening states along the Gulf coast.
"We reviewed 30,000 pages of documents from BP, including your e-mails. There is not a single e-mail or document that shows you paid even the slightest attention to the dangers at this well."
Texan Republican Michael Burgess expressed surprise when the BP chief said he had not known anything about the well in question until he was told in April that drilling had confirmed an oil discovery.
"But you're the CEO of the company," Congressman Burgess said.
"With due respect," Mr Hayward replied, "we drill hundreds of wells around the world."
"Yeah, that's what scares me right now," said Mr Burgess. :haha: :haha: :haha:
Mr Hayward's inability to answer specific technical questions about the situation on the rig angered the panel particularly.
The questions, set out in a letter to Mr Hayward on Sunday by Mr Waxman and fellow committee member Bart Stupak, include allegations that BP:
* Went against the advice of its own plan review regarding the well's design and chose a riskier, cheaper and quicker casing option
* Used only six centralisers to make sure the casing ran down the centre of the well bore, rather than the 21 recommended by sub-contractor Halliburton
* Rejected warnings by its own plan review and Halliburton in preparations for a cementing job
* Decided to forego a recommended safety step in the circulation of drilling mud
* Did not deploy a "lockdown sleeve" that would have prevented the seal from being blown out from below
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| Skipper |
I don't actually think that's alarming. The CEO cannot micro manage that level of drilling. I would suggest that the people most capable of managing risk like this are below him (obviously they did a bad job here, but the CEO himself is not expected to be on the ground with every single well in the whole world).
What needs to improve at BP is information flow, risk management and accountability - not "the ceo needs to know everything about every well everywhere." |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I don't actually think that's alarming. The CEO cannot micro manage that level of drilling. I would suggest that the people most capable of managing risk like this are below him (obviously they did a bad job here, but the CEO himself is not expected to be on the ground with every single well in the whole world).
What needs to improve at BP is information flow, risk management and accountability - not "the ceo needs to know everything about every well everywhere." |
That CEO had numerous gaffe's and lapses of judgement. Good thing he is now shoved aside.
http://www.thespec.com/News/article/791953
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Embattled BP CEO is moved aside
June 18, 2010
LONDON — The chairman of BP says embattled chief executive Tony Hayward is being relieved of day-to-day responsibility for managing the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, a day after he angered U.S. lawmakers with his refusal to answer many of their questions.
Company chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg said Hayward “is now handing over the operations, the daily operations to (BP Managing Director) Bob Dudley,” according to the transcript of an interview with Sky News television released Friday.
The company had already announced June 4 that Dudley would lead the long-term response to the oil spill once the leak had been stopped. Svanberg’s statement appeared to accelerate that timeline, as millions of gallons of crude continue to gush into the Gulf.
“ ... Now (Hayward) has been out there for eight weeks and he is now handing over the operations, the daily operations to Bob Dudley and he will be more home and be there and be here, but I think it has been a difficult period and as long as we don’t close the well and take care of this, there will be criticisms about many things,” Svanberg told Sky News. “Right now that is our focus to make that happen.”
On Thursday, Hayward told lawmakers on a U.S. House investigations panel that he was out of the loop on decisions at the well. Both Democrats and Republicans were infuriated when he [Hayward] asserted, “I’m not stonewalling.”
It also follows a string of gaffes from the BP chief that made him appear tone-deaf.
He was quoted by the Times of London suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims, and later shocked residents in slick-hit Louisiana by saying that “no one wants this over more than I do. I would like my life back.” :wtf:
A BP spokesman in Houston, Tristan Vanhegan, said he had not heard Svanberg’s comments, but the “board still has confidence in Tony.”
Svanberg said “it is clear that Tony has made remarks that have upset people,” but he also defended the chief executive.
“Here is also a man who has (been through) a 100 hours of TV time and maybe 500 interviews,” he told the broadcaster. He added that Hayward’s grilling in Washington was “a very, very difficult hearing to go through.” |
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| -g- |
The CEO IS responsible for knowing everything that is going on at every well.
What that means is having the skills to employ an effective team below him/her at every level. If happens then it's his/her fault for hiring employees. The buck stops with the CEO. Cultivating a culture of complacency that would lead to such an event as this speaks volumes about the culture of professionalism developed from the top down. |
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| jester |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I actually wonder how much automobile use accounts for ones overall petroleum usage - as Malek said, oil is needed everywhere - particularly in plastics, which are everywhere. |
I remember a few years back seeing a video showing how much oil is used in our daily lives to make stuff or is used to transport us.
Only way for people not to use anything that was made with petrol is going back to living in the forest and foraging.
One thing we could do is use biodiesel for transport. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by -g-
The CEO IS responsible for knowing everything that is going on at every well.
What that means is having the skills to employ an effective team below him/her at every level. If happens then it's his/her fault for hiring employees. The buck stops with the CEO. Cultivating a culture of complacency that would lead to such an event as this speaks volumes about the culture of professionalism developed from the top down. |
lol at that too... :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| -g- |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
lol at that too... :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
tell that to the former ceo of bp |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by -g-
tell that to the former ceo of bp |
Oh, he still retains many CEO roles with British Petroleum, btw - he wasnt fired. He is just no longer in charge of the spill response team. And now he decided to go and have fun. Irony, rubbing the salt into the wounds of many people - his yact is out in clean British waters, while Louisiana waters are covered with oil.
Its interesting, that the more we read about this issue, the more we see that BP is a really really messed up company ... They don't seem to be doing anything right.
EDIT: Well, apparently the new man from BP, Mr. Dudley, to be in charge of handling the spill - the command has not yet been passed to him ... and no word as to when his duties will comence. :wtf: So Hayward is enjoying himself, and noone is in charge? Read the both articles and you'll see that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us...da/10355285.stm
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Mr Svanberg also confirmed that BP chief executive Tony Hayward would be handing over the day-to-day response to BP managing director Bob Dudley. |
Also, http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/..._gulf_oil_spill
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Williams said Svanberg was misunderstood and that only a transition to Dudley, an American with 30 years in the oil business, had begun.
"Hayward is very much in charge until we've stopped the leak," she told the AP on Saturday.
Wine said "there's not a hard and fast date" on when Dudley will be completely in charge.
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As oil spews in Gulf, BP chief at UK yacht race
"He's spending a few hours with his family at a weekend. I'm sure that everyone would understand that," Wine said Saturday. "He will be back to deal with the response. It doesn't detract from that at all."
Wine described the race as "one of the biggest sailing events in the world and he's well known to have a keen interest in it."
He said Hayward will be returning to the United States, though it's unclear when.
Hayward already angered many in the U.S. when he was quoted in the Times of London as suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims. He later shocked residents in Louisiana by telling them that no one wanted to resolve the crisis as badly as he did because "I'd like my life back."
Just minutes after reports about Hayward emerged Saturday, the issue became a hot topic on social networking sites, with people on Twitter passing along the news and reacting to it every few seconds. Some comments called the move "mindboggling" while others noted he had gotten his life back — while Gulf residents had not. :haha:
It was not clear whether Hayward actually took part in Saturday's race or attended as a spectator. Williams said Hayward was there with his son. A British news agency took a picture of what it thought was Hayward on the yacht that he owns with other investors, but BP would not confirm that it was Hayward.
Peta Stuart-Hunt, a press officer for the event, said Hayward "wasn't listed on any of the crew list."
"If he is on the boat, he's in contravention of the rules," she said.
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As oil spews in Gulf, BP chief at UK yacht race
LONDON - In what one environmentalist described as "yet another public relations disaster" for embattled energy giant BP, CEO Tony Hayward took time off Saturday to attend a glitzy yacht race around England's Isle of Wight.
As social networking sites like Twitter and Facebook lit up with outrage, BP spokespeople rushed to defend Hayward, who has drawn withering criticism as the public face of BP's halting efforts to stop the worst oil spill in U.S. history.
Spokeswoman Sheila Williams said Hayward took a break from overseeing BP efforts to stem the undersea gusher in Gulf of Mexico so he could watch his boat "Bob" participate in the J.P. Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race. The 52-foot yacht is made by the Annapolis, Maryland-based boatbuilder Farr Yacht Design.
The annual one-day race is one of the world's largest, attracting more than 1,700 boats and 16,000 sailors as world-renown yachtsmen compete with wealthy amateurs in the 50-nautical mile course around the island.
Robert Wine, a BP spokesman at the company's Houston headquarters, said it was the first break that Hayward has had since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded April 20, killing 11 workers and setting off the undersea oil gusher.
"He's spending a few hours with his family at a weekend. I'm sure that everyone would understand that," Wine said Saturday. "He will be back to deal with the response. It doesn't detract from that at all."
Wine described the race as "one of the biggest sailing events in the world and he's well known to have a keen interest in it."
He said Hayward will be returning to the United States, though it's unclear when.
Still, hobnobbing with millionaires and their yachts is likely to be a hard sell in the Gulf, which is struggling to deal with up to 120 million gallons of oil that have escaped from the blown-out well. Oil has been washing up along the Gulf Coast from Louisiana to Florida, killing birds and fish, coating delicate marshes and wetlands and covering pristine beaches with tar balls.
Hayward already angered many in the U.S. when he was quoted in the Times of London as suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims. He later shocked residents in Louisiana by telling them that no one wanted to resolve the crisis as badly as he did because "I'd like my life back."
A pair of relief wells that won't be done until August is the best bet to stop the massive spill. By late June, the oil giant hopes it can keep nearly 90 per cent of the flow from the broken pipe from hitting the ocean.
Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen says a newly expanded containment system is capturing or incinerating more than 1 million gallons (3.8 million litres) of oil daily, the first time it has approached its peak capacity.
Just minutes after reports about Hayward emerged Saturday, the issue became a hot topic on social networking sites, with people on Twitter passing along the news and reacting to it every few seconds. Some comments called the move "mindboggling" while others noted he had gotten his life back — while Gulf residents had not.
British environmental groups immediately slammed Hayward's outing. Charlie Kronick of Greenpeace said Hayward was "rubbing salt into the wounds" of Gulf residents whose livelihoods have been wrecked by the disaster.
"Clearly it is incredibly insulting for him to be sailing in the Isle of Wight," he said.
Hugh Walding of Friends of the Earth said Hayward's choice of venue was sure to arouse anger.
"I'm sure that this will be seen as yet another public relations disaster," Walding said.
On Thursday, Hayward told lawmakers on a U.S. House investigations panel that he was out of the loop on decisions surrounding the blown well. Both Democrats and Republicans were infuriated when he asserted, "I'm not stonewalling."
The next day, BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg seemed to suggest that Hayward was being withdrawn from the front line of the oil spill response, although his comments were later qualified.
"It is clear that Tony has made remarks that have upset people," Svanberg told Sky News television, adding that Hayward was "now handing over" daily operations to BP Managing Director Bob Dudley.
Williams said Svanberg was misunderstood and that only a transition to Dudley, an American with 30 years in the oil business, had begun.
"Hayward is very much in charge until we've stopped the leak," she told the AP on Saturday.
Wine said "there's not a hard and fast date" on when Dudley will be completely in charge.
It was not clear whether Hayward actually took part in Saturday's race or attended as a spectator. Williams said Hayward was there with his son. A British news agency took a picture of what it thought was Hayward on the yacht that he owns with other investors, but BP would not confirm that it was Hayward.
Peta Stuart-Hunt, a press officer for the event, said Hayward "wasn't listed on any of the crew list."
"If he is on the boat, he's in contravention of the rules," she said.
Hayward's boat finished fourth in its class. This year's attendees at Isle of Wight race included British Olympic gold medal sailor Ben Ainslie. |
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| Magnetonium |
I know some people are probably gonna hate me for reviving this thread - sorry - but there is an important update in the issue.
Obama did a good thing to put in place a short and TEMPORARY 6-month moratorium on new oil drilling in the face of the current disaster, to give time for decision/rules on how to pursue new oil drilling around USA.
But oil companies had other ideas. Never mind that Gulf of Mexico right now is in terrible shape and many people are affected, let alone environment. All this time, BP and their brothers-in-arms have been pushing hard to repeal this moratorium ASAP, and so they found an ally in the Supreme Court who just did that.
But thats not what pissed me off. What really ticked me off is the LANGUAGE that the judge used to justify his decision. It is more despicable than the countless gaffes of BP.
Those greedy oil corporations, with no face and no dignity or respect. Drill more oil! Who cares about the spill! DRILL DRILL DRILL ...
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The judge said the lengthy ban was "invalid" and could not be justified, as the negative impact on local businesses was simply too great.
The White House said it would be appealing against the decision.
"An invalid agency decision to suspend drilling of wells in the depths over 500ft simply cannot justify the immeasurable effect on the plaintiffs, the local economy, the Gulf region and the critical present-day aspect of the availability of domestic energy in this country," judge Martin Feldman said. :wtf:
Energy needs
The decision to overturn the ban follows heavy lobbying by the oil industry. |
HELLO??? What about the negative impact that this oil spill caused on the many businesses, individuals, families, local communities in the region, tourism, etc? Ridiculous.
Its all about money, folks. Noone gives a . the environment. Ignorance is bliss. All I am doing is pissing off some folks on TA who would rather read about Justin Bieber & Miley Cyrus? Or no? Die thread die?
// it, end of story. Full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10377836.stm
"US Gulf oil drilling ban overturned by federal judge"
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
HELLO??? What about the negative impact that this oil spill caused on the many businesses, individuals, families, local communities in the region, tourism, etc? Ridiculous. |
It's not even just about the Gulf coast anymore, the damage has been done for a lot of them. The ban was needed because the gov org which was supposed to over see responsible drilling has been a farce. The ban (in my hopes) was to give the gov time to re-examin past approved drilling projects, and correct 'mistakes'. That's the what the judge really forgot to mention. |
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