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Awesome interactive map: where Americans are moving (pg. 2)
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Like most wise business people who worked in that hole of a city
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wut |
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| chimera66 |
| that's pretty cool kevin, just moved to portland,oregon from manhattan and seems like there is a lot of inbound movement...surprising since portland is boring. |
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| Sykonee |
| Main thing I got from those maps is that folks who live in the Dakotas are quite content to remain there. |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
It's quite an instructive application, because it powerfully illustrates the problem people ignore; we get to see the reality of how the most liberal wannabe utopian paradises are forcing people out in droves b/c of their policies, only damaging those who such policies are supposed to cater to since fewer actual taxpayers remain. People and industry are moving to areas with lower tax and regulatory burdens that actually foster growth. Totally understandable. |
I really don't think it's fair to peg the movement solely on "policies" etc. If you look on the East coast (NY etc.) a huge majority of movement is going to Florida. It seems pretty obvious to me that this is due to weather preference over anything else. Baby boomers are retiring and MANY of them are going south.
You can't make any real assumptions based on this map unless you have the information explaining the motive for moving. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
that's pretty cool kevin, just moved to portland,oregon from manhattan and seems like there is a lot of inbound movement...surprising since portland is boring. |
I had 2 friends just move back here after spending 15 months in Portland and they really enjoyed it. Do you like to do outdoors-y type stuff?
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
wut |
For real. I love visiting NY for the fact that you can get anything you want at any time, have incredible museums/music/art/restaurants, and some pretty amazing historic stuff.... but visiting and living there are 2 different things. Unless you're in the 99th percentile that runs around in wealthy circles, you're mostly stuck in the annoying dirtiness of that congested concrete jungle. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I really don't think it's fair to peg the movement solely on "policies" etc. If you look on the East coast (NY etc.) a huge majority of movement is going to Florida. It seems pretty obvious to me that this is due to weather preference over anything else. Baby boomers are retiring and MANY of them are going south.
You can't make any real assumptions based on this map unless you have the information explaining the motive for moving. |
This. You can't attribute this to any one factor solely. There are a lot of different factors involved here and just based on this map you can't really make any observations.
Correlation does not imply causation. |
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| chimera66 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I had 2 friends just move back here after spending 15 months in Portland and they really enjoyed it. Do you like to do outdoors-y type stuff? |
i like walking outside and nature but i am far from outdoor-y. it's home so i knew what i was getting into; no complaints and this slow pace is relaxing for now.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
For real. I love visiting NY for the fact that you can get anything you want at any time, have incredible museums/music/art/restaurants, and some pretty amazing historic stuff.... but visiting and living there are 2 different things. Unless you're in the 99th percentile that runs around in wealthy circles, you're mostly stuck in the annoying dirtiness of that congested concrete jungle. |
somewhat true, i lived there for nearly 5yrs and great place to visit but not a place for everyone to live. i had a pretty decent life not being in the 99th percentile but among other things my dislike of the city is a big reason why i quit my job and left. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
I really don't think it's fair to peg the movement solely on "policies" etc. If you look on the East coast (NY etc.) a huge majority of movement is going to Florida. It seems pretty obvious to me that this is due to weather preference over anything else. Baby boomers are retiring and MANY of them are going south.
You can't make any real assumptions based on this map unless you have the information explaining the motive for moving. |
Weather preferences the main reason for moving to Florida? No. Zero state income tax in Florida? Yes. I wouldn't say the policies are "solely" the reason, but it has to be the main reason. It can't possibly be a coincidence that the states and cities with the highest rates of combined city/state/property taxation and regulatory fees (California, Illinios, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Michigan), also the strongest social welfare policy states, have the vast majority of their people moving to Florida and Texas who have NO state income tax and are consistantly rated as most "business friendly". Utah is seeing a major surge in business development because so many people from CA are moving across that border. I don't think there's any stronger motivating factor to move than knowing you can go to a place that lets you keep more of the money you make. |
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| tubularbills |
that's what i like to see :)
lol @ where i currently live. |
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| Theresa |
That's from 10/11 years ago - not necessarily indicative of more recent trends.
It has only been recent that all of the baby boomers have been retiring. I would argue that a lot of recent movement is directly related to them considering there are about 72 million baby boomers, all of whom are at or are just coming into retirement age.
With that being said, we can't really make any concrete assumptions.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
This. You can't attribute this to any one factor solely. There are a lot of different factors involved here and just based on this map you can't really make any observations.
Correlation does not imply causation. |
My point exactly. |
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| JD8180 |
baby boomers retiring means a mix of people that either a. are not working and want to save on taxes or b. wealthy people that want to save on taxes
don't get me wrong, I'm sure SOME people move here to enjoy beaches and not have to deal with the cold, etc., but I think the majority are for tax purposes. |
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