|
Problems with Trance Creation on Fl-studio (pg. 2)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| kitphillips |
No one's going to tell you you need "big speakers". Thats stupid.
And no, there is no "theory to follow" to make every mix sound good. You need to be able to hear the mix. If you have good headphones and some time and skill you can do that. But not if your using your little sisters Skull Candy ones. Every mix needs a different combination of techniques to make it sound good. You won't know which ones to apply unless you can hear it and listen to it critically.
I'll post some actual advice when your site comes back up. |
|
|
| routingwithin |
well dude-
if i am mixing on headphones and finished my mastering- then I would need studio speakers to verify that my mix sounds good.
I mean good quality speakers so that all FQ's can be presented,
cause my biggest problem is FQ's being out of bound.
so in a way big speakers does matter... |
|
|
| kitphillips |
Not at all. Lots of people make great tracks on headphones or on very small speakers. All the relevant frequencies are presented on all speaker systems, just to a different degree. If you cross check your mixes against other systems occasionally to learn the exact character of your headphones, then a decent pair of headphones are more than adequate for mixing. Don't blame your tools if your having a hard time of it.
I have no idea what you mean when you talk about "FQ's being "out of bound"?? |
|
|
| JEO |
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
if i am mixing on headphones and finished my mastering- then I would need studio speakers to verify that my mix sounds good. |
You mastered the track yourself?
IMO you should just listen the mix on various sound systems, your mp3-player, car stereo etc.. That'll give you a wider perspective on your mix. Every potential listener is not gonna listen to your track on some pro studio monitors.
And if I may, I'll just jump to a conclusion that you've gotten ahead of things on the whole mixing thing. If you feel your ears fail with the balance of frequencies on your track, use a spectrum analyser on your master to roughly see what frequencies are present in the whole mix. After that and your ears you should perhaps be able to have a way to go with your mixing.
As said in every possible tutorial on the tutorial master list that deals with mixing in general, EQ'ing or mastering; learning to mix takes time and even fine mastering isn't gonna make a poopish mix shine.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
If you take the trance preset on FL you have multiband compressor on the master. |
Yeah well THAT'S a good idea. Jesus. I recommend you use nothing on the master. FL has some good projects that you can learn a lot from, and don't use EQ's and limiters on the master like in those projects. It's done just because they're internal, in the DAW, and couldn't be "mastered" any other way. |
|
|
| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by tehlord
Some of the worst advice i've ever seen tbh. |
what advice, this is the things he may have done badly. lol. |
|
|
| routingwithin |
I think i've probably done everything that i read on the net- but never to any answer, and at the end i should probably play around with the sound and see where i end up, yeah, been doing that for 4years already, I know every basic thing of trance production and FL-studio, but......
I only need to know what FQ's ( Frequencies ) needs to be boosted and which to cut, sorry for any offence- i am just frustrated with crappy sound- and no its not the samples- i am talking about brightness, power, volume (atmosphere)- not a box mix
I use a Paramatic EQ 2 as a spectrum anylizer, but what should i be seeing ????
THe spectrum shows all FQ's are active during the mix, is'nt that a good thing or should there be gaps on certain FQ heads ??
makin me crazy:whip:
:disbelief :nervous: :wtf: |
|
|
| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
I only need to know what FQ's ( Frequencies ) needs to be boosted and which to cut, sorry for any offence- i am just frustrated with crappy sound- and no its not the samples- i am talking about brightness, power, volume (atmosphere)- not a box mix
|
These are all things you gain with experience. There is no magic button or formula, every track is different. It is impossible for anyone to just say "boost here" or "cut here" and having it mean anything without hearing your track. Every tracks requires its own special combination of tweaks, and knowing what do to (and what NOT to do) is just a matter of experience.
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
I use a Paramatic EQ 2 as a spectrum anylizer, but what should i be seeing ????
|
Again, that's entirely track dependent.
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
THe spectrum shows all FQ's are active during the mix, is'nt that a good thing or should there be gaps on certain FQ heads ??
|
You want to ensure that you have chosen the right sounds and that each sound has its own space in the frequency spectrum. That's about all we can tell you without hearing your work. |
|
|
| routingwithin |
yeah, you're right- every track will have a different tweaking and leveling.
But then check it, How do i specify a space in the spectrum?
Do I cut all FQ's except that one- probably not cause that will make the sound dull.
Just like the trance kick. People say: it should be based on 80-100hz
Does that mean, only a 80-100hz boost
or cut 20-70hz & 120hz-10Khz
cause when i boost 80-100hz it gets too much bass ( only a 2db boost)
Biggest problem is the sound of the Bass and kickdrum, if I get that right I would be on my way
:eyespop: |
|
|
| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
But then check it, How do i specify a space in the spectrum?
|
Again, like I said you need to ensure that different sounds are not overlapping in certain frequency bands. For example, it your kick's fundamental is a ~80Hz, and your bass also has a fundamental at ~80Hz, then you need to cut one of them, so they do not overlap. This is creating space in the mix.
This rule also applies to other elements as well. Sometimes you can pan things to make space or push things into the background using reverb or EQ. Its also about technique and experience to know what works and what does not.
Read through these articles on EQ:
http://kimlajoie.wordpress.com/tag/eq/
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
Do I cut all FQ's except that one- probably not cause that will make the sound dull.
|
Maybe that is the answer. Having a clear mix is about space and contrasts. If everything is up front, then nothing can stand out.
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
Just like the trance kick. People say: it should be based on 80-100hz
|
Their track is not the same as your track, that is why there can never be "one rule". Your kick may not have a strong fundamental in that range. The "bass" of a kick may lay in that range, but many genres (trance in particular), cut the bass in their kicks to leave room for the bass synths to stand out. They rely in the kick attack to make it stand out, and the kick attack is generally in the 2000 Hz range. Other tracks may leave that bass in the kick and cut the bass synths in that range. The point is nothing should overlap too much, that's what creates mud and loss of clarity.
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
Does that mean, only a 80-100hz boost
or cut 20-70hz & 120hz-10Khz
|
In that instance, if you want the kick to dominate that range, then you must cut anything else with fundamentals in that range. Or you could go the other way around and cut the kick in that range to make the other dominating elements in that range stand out. The point is that only one sound is dominant in any particular range.
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
cause when i boost 80-100hz it gets too much bass ( only a 2db boost)
|
Then that should tell you that you should not boost, in that particular instance. I stress the words "in that particular instance", because what may have worked in one track many not work in the next one.
Here is a great blog that has good tips on a lot of different elements of production. Read through it thoroughly.
http://kimlajoie.wordpress.com/ |
|
|
| routingwithin |
that was such an eye opener dude :eyes: , I see what you are saying-
making space is probably the answer.
also specify one sound in each section of the spectrum to dominate,
I could probably use Automation to auto Pan sounds while playing-
using theory to keep the mix organized.
:tongue2
I will give those links a walkthrough --
thnx 4 a great reply
Peace Out
:stongue: |
|
|
| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
I could probably use Automation to auto Pan sounds while playing-
using theory to keep the mix organized.
|
Use panning as your last resort to make space in your mix. Try using EQ first. I would strongly recommend against automating panning as a way to create space. Its fine if you want to use that technique as an effect, but do not use it to create space.
| quote: | Originally posted by routingwithin
I will give those links a walkthrough --
thnx 4 a great reply
Peace Out
:stongue: |
Good Luck. |
|
|
| routingwithin |
| What about EQ automation ??:happy2: |
|
|
|
|
