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| sako487 |
| lower the master so you dont clip |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
Was doing a bit of "studying" at work last night. Two goodies here.
1. Delays - Set a delay to less than 30ms with low feedback. You won't get a delayed sound but it'll create a much wider, fuller sound that can be used to pull bass and vocals to the front of a mix. It's really helpful for pulling sounds forward in a mixing as well as having them cut through a mix. Great weapon here!
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HEY! that's my trick you teef! :whip:
I posted up the tiny delay trick about 6 months ago (done on my electribe), but then again monkeys do think alike ;)
Actually there's a really neat other way of doing it too: apply a lot of amount (wet) of the delay and then just lsightly open the "time". Give a subtly but really crunchy depth, and works epsecially well on leads, baases and hi perc. It works especially well on simple delay (such as the electribe).
I shouldn't be sharing this one, but his is done ALL the time by some very serious film score engineers for the parts that have fast paced perc (which is why it works for EDM). Sounds ing amazing in 5.1 or higher but is also effective in stereo.
If you have a lof of 16 or 32 note perc hits, send them to an auto panner (or 2)and modulate the depth of pan to fit a crescendo or breakdown. It's like the hi perc gets wider and has the effect of speeding up or slowing down as the stero image changes. |
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| 19503 |
| 1. steal from others |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by 19503
1. steal from others |
yes we know :stongue: :stongue: |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by 19503
1. steal from others |
So agree. Steal everything. Steal sounds, steal ideas, steal techniques. Steal. If you listen to a song, steal something from it. If you can't find something to steal, listen again.
In terms of actual techniques
1/ atmospheric reverbs. If it can make mnml a genre its gotta be good.
2/ Compress the master while your mixing.
3/ Have awesome samples. |
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| tehlord |
The greatest secret is to have :-
a) great ideas
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b) better ears |
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| Stephen Wiley |
this seems like a no brainer but i seeso many preset leads out there with no pre-delay for the reverb so the transient gets smeared thus the sound isn't as good as it should be.
lesson: transients are very important. dont with them if you don't know this. |
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| EddieZilker |
3 MG-42's with 16,000+ ammo.
1 M224 60mm Mortar with 30 rounds.
STAY AWAY FROM MY COMPOUND!! I have more I am NOT telling you about.
Oh, and on the 'less is more' kick:
Phrases like, "Fast is slow, slow is smooth, smooth is fast"; "Less is more"; and "Ruling a country is like cooking a small fish" - They're great Buddhist and Taoist dichotomies but they only really offer a contrasting framework for building music on (along with anything else you can think to apply it towards). Furthermore, both Eric J and Keysora, from what I've heard of their music, aren't necessarily in disagreement with one another. While Eric J uses a clean mix which could be construed as simple, the elements themselves have a fairly tangible interaction which is somewhat complex. Keysora's central melody lines are inherently simple but elegant and draw a great deal of their beauty from the elements which surround them.
Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil.
Therefore having and not having arise together.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short contrast each other:
High and low rest upon each other;
Voice and sound harmonize each other;
Front and back follow one another.
Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.
The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease,
Creating, yet not.
Working, yet not taking credit.
Work is done, then forgotten.
Therefore it lasts forever.
~ http://www.iging.com/laotse/LaotseE.htm#1
In not trying to read too much into these sayings, you can read everything into these sayings. |
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| Matt_Moor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
this seems like a no brainer but i seeso many preset leads out there with no pre-delay for the reverb so the transient gets smeared thus the sound isn't as good as it should be.
lesson: transients are very important. dont with them if you don't know this. |
Is there any sites that explain about these? I can find nothing on google other than a short wiki page |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Keysora |
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| quote: | Keysora's central melody lines are inherently simple but elegant and draw a great deal of their beauty from the elements which surround them.
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I guess I'd agree, but as far as my tracks as a whole are concerned I've never used any kind of process that emphasizes using less of anything. Though maybe I should, there are artists like Ferry Tayle who have very smooth, calming tracks that are built on a few sounds that are perfect together instead of a wall of sound like my tracks tend to be.
Also for all the people here who bitch about trance becoming formulaic and predictable I'm surprised there are people suggesting that stealing in general is actually good advice. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt_Moor
Is there any sites that explain about these? I can find nothing on google other than a short wiki page |
you need to get a book off amazon mate! you'll learn a ton.
http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Music-M...79464846&sr=1-1
I have the first version and can vouch for it. I'm sure the second revision is even better. You'll get a ton of questions answered and more going through this thing. I'd say 95% of what I have learned has come from books and practice. The whole watch youtube tutorial thing just doesn't do it for me. The surface isn't even scratched with those things. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
I guess I'd agree, but as far as my tracks as a whole are concerned I've never used any kind of process that emphasizes using less of anything. Though maybe I should, there are artists like Ferry Tayle who have very smooth, calming tracks that are built on a few sounds that are perfect together instead of a wall of sound like my tracks tend to be.
Also for all the people here who bitch about trance becoming formulaic and predictable I'm surprised there are people suggesting that stealing in general is actually good advice. |
Understand that I'm only making a (subjective) observation about your style - and not a critique of it - especially since I like it. Therefor, I wouldn't change anything. My point was that "less is more" is a Buddhist dichotomy which is misinterpreted, often to suit a requirement of someone's ego and not used correctly as a tool with which to achieve a goal.
Where I'll use it as a tool, for instance, is with a part which is relatively complex - I'll put the complex track in the back of everything else but I'll put all of my simple parts up front. (well, that's how I try to use it and I'm not sure how well it translates beyond my own perception of it.)
Ikebana - the Japanese art of flower arrangement - is a practice where a literal less is more ethos really makes sense. Even then, however, its ethos dictates that beauty is inherent and that the goal of its artist is to get out of the way of the beauty. Looking at a Buddhist Monastery, one is hard pressed to find anything 'simplistic' about it. Perhaps 'less is more' has been applied to some extent but in details which aren't apparent to the lay-person beholder. |
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