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Question on using bus sends
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| Final Call |
Alright so i started working on a collab track with an old friend and i had a few questions about sends.
Generally what do you guys have your sends set up as? I'm new to the whole feature (i know, i should be smacked for not knowing it before) but i have all my drums going into one send, bass into another, main synths into another and FX into another. Am i doing it all wrong? I'd like some tips on this! i'm using FL studio 9 as my current DAW.
heres a sample of the track.
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| music2dance2 |
I think you are refering to grouping parts to a bus channel for sub mixing? I do that also.
As for sends though I have reverb, delay sometimes compression on a send which I can then use on separate channels. I dont use FL but at a guess, set these devices you want on the return channels and then you can use them as send FX's. |
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| Zombie0729 |
you should group if there's a purpose not because it's easier to turn down a one fader for 5 sounds.
send's on the other hand should be used a lot, from delays, reverbs, spacial things etc. they can really make your track sound expensive if used right |
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| Final Call |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
you should group if there's a purpose not because it's easier to turn down a one fader for 5 sounds.
send's on the other hand should be used a lot, from delays, reverbs, spacial things etc. they can really make your track sound expensive if used right |
yeah i was thinking this beforehand. right now my drums ie, clap,snare, hihats and percs are all going into one grouping "bus" with a compressor. i figured this would give a more "gel" to the various drum tracks. for my synths, ie, leads and chords, i have a reverb and a delay to save CPU. lol am i doing this right? |
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| cryophonik |
| I generally start all projects with buss groups for similar instruments (e.g., drums, bass, synths, guitars, vocals, BG vox, etc.), but I add or (rarely) subtract busses based on what I'm using them for. Yes, you can use them as a sub-master for levels of instruments, but they're also useful for muting/soloing groups of instruments. They're most useful IMO when you want to treat multiple instruments the same way (e.g., have the same effect or automation on multiple tracks). |
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| cArAcH0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Final Call
right now my drums ie, clap,snare, hihats and percs are all going into one grouping "bus" with a compressor. i figured this would give a more "gel" to the various drum tracks. |
yeah, "gel"-ing the drums is ok. but I found, that the use of a multiband-compressor is better suited for that purpose.
| quote: | Originally posted by Final Call
for my synths, ie, leads and chords, i have a reverb and a delay to save CPU. lol am i doing this right? |
yep, its not just about performance. using the same reverb settings for all your tracks is more cohesive, than using a different reverb for every track.
Edit: btw, liking your track ;)
cheers |
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| PlasticSoul |
Ableton 7 user here but I do like this...
channel 1: kick + snare/clap
channel 2: all hats
channel 3: percs
if I use compression, I put one above each channel above.
and I use send/return tracks for fx: reverb's, delay's, etc...
1 reverb for pads, 1 for percussion, etc... |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
I generally start all projects with buss groups for similar instruments (e.g., drums, bass, synths, guitars, vocals, BG vox, etc.), but I add or (rarely) subtract busses based on what I'm using them for. Yes, you can use them as a sub-master for levels of instruments, but they're also useful for muting/soloing groups of instruments. They're most useful IMO when you want to treat multiple instruments the same way (e.g., have the same effect or automation on multiple tracks). |
Indeed I often group parts for automation purpose's like filtering drums sections or other musical parts. |
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| sako487 |
| sends are useless, try bussing sounds |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
sends are useless, try bussing sounds |
Sends are anything but useless. A typical use of sends is to have one or two reverbs and/or delays on auxiliary channels. You can send a proportional amount of any one individual track to that auxiliary channel. It accomplishes the same effect as a wet/dry knob on some plugins by mixing a partially effected signal with the dry signal. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
sends are useless, try bussing sounds |
On the contray, nothing is useless, its what works and sounds good to you. Otherwise why have it? Not the best advice to give.
Unless I have my wires crossed arent you contradicting yourself. You said in this thread you have just starting using sends and it add's energy.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=566858
I found send FX's can sound different than when using as an insert, at times. Sends have many uses. |
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| sako487 |
| quote: | Originally posted by music2dance2
On the contray, nothing is useless, its what works and sounds good to you. Otherwise why have it? Not the best advice to give.
Unless I have my wires crossed arent you contradicting yourself. You said in this thread you have just starting using sends and it add's energy.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=566858
I found send FX's can sound different than when using as an insert, at times. Sends have many uses. |
I meant using sends as busses, I dont like the fact that when you send a signal to a channel it somehow duplicates the sound, cause there 2 signals going to the master.
I'd much rather have 1 signal goin to a channel and to the master, and adjusting the wet/dry levels on the reverb. Sorry for the vague statment lol. |
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