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Making money off your productions (pg. 2)
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by adi_hanson
I was reading some stuff on the top 40 artists and how they genterate more cash through advertising and sponsorship than sales.
It might be a good thing to see people giving stuff away rather than always being money minded.
Give away your stuff man , I am!
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Yea, i remember reading that Infected Mushroom don't really give a sh*t about their sales cuz they make all their money from live sets.:)
Astral Projection also thanked internet (pirates) for spreading their music. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Yea, i remember reading that Infected Mushroom don't really give a sh*t about their sales cuz they make all their money from live sets.:)
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Honestly, that's pretty much the way it is these days. The bigger jocks can still command relatively high prices for playing a set, and even local DJ's can pay the rent by playing clubs on a regular basis. So for anyone who's in it for the money, you're better off just building a career as a DJ. After some time, you'll easily be able to afford to hire a ghost producer if you want to put out some tracks with your name on them. |
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| Viber |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Honestly, that's pretty much the way it is these days. The bigger jocks can still command relatively high prices for playing a set, and even local DJ's can pay the rent by playing clubs on a regular basis. So for anyone who's in it for the money, you're better off just building a career as a DJ. After some time, you'll easily be able to afford to hire a ghost producer if you want to put out some tracks with your name on them. |
They should be teaching this post in schools i tell ya;) |
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
Astral Projection also thanked internet (pirates) for spreading their music. |
Got to admit I have mixed feelings when I see my tracks available for pirate download etc. I have a professional 'real' job but it would be a nice feeling to get some money from what was until recently just a hobby. But with the increased exposure from pirate downloads my name gets out there and increases the amount of people listening to my music - which is the point really. This is my perspective as a producer, if I ran a label / distributer my feelings would be entirely different. |
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| meDina |
| Money through music (except video games/movies) is almost non existant... at least for me. I teach and do technical support at a software instrument company to pay the bills during the day. |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
Honestly, that's pretty much the way it is these days. The bigger jocks can still command relatively high prices for playing a set, and even local DJ's can pay the rent by playing clubs on a regular basis. So for anyone who's in it for the money, you're better off just building a career as a DJ. After some time, you'll easily be able to afford to hire a ghost producer if you want to put out some tracks with your name on them. |
Ghost producer? What does that mean? |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Viber
They should be teaching this post in schools i tell ya;) |
except you won't be a big dj unless you have some hits behind you. People just don't understand the incredible small odds of making a career in music. Honestly, if you haven't made a significant dent in EDM in 5-10 years of production , you can pretty much forget it. Do you really want to be struggling at 35 in an industry that offers little perks. No medical coverage. These things matter as you get older.
The producers that will be taking over will be the ones that start at 16 and have the time to develop their craft as they don't have to work and can produce all day.
You must love what you do because the money, if there even is money will take a while to come. I'm trying to break into the film composing business and most of the guys making money are in their 40 + . In mean time, I do what I can to get by. I'm still young (29) and I enjoy what I do so I am ok with the prospect of not being rich for a while. You have to be slightly ignorant of the odds of making it but also talented and hardworking.
Alot of people on here have this delusion that it will eventually work out. Sad and funny at the same time. Others just love what they do and I can respect that no matter how bad they are. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
Ghost producer? What does that mean? |
It was a trend that started happening during the super star era of djing. Big djs needed something to promote other than djing because everyone was now a dj and since alot of them have absolutely no talent, lets face it djing is ing easy, they hired professional producers songwritters and engineers.
It isn't really common now because you need money to hire people like this and the only djs that have this money are the ones that are big and you can't get big unless you have some hit tracks under your belt. The big guys still do but that is about it. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
It was a trend that started happening during the super star era of djing. Big djs needed something to promote other than djing because everyone was now a dj and since alot of them have absolutely no talent, lets face it djing is ing easy, they hired professional producers songwritters and engineers.
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Precisely. And what these big time DJs did was have these other people compose and produce tracks for them, then they'd release it as their own work, sometimes giving the original producer a credit, sometimes not. Some producers could work behind the scenes and make a ton of money just writing tracks for other people. Sign an NDA, write a couple of tunes for the "DJ-of-the-month", and cash a fat cheque. The funny thing was that there were a shockingly small number of ghost producers writing music for a large amount of DJ's of the time.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
It isn't really common now because you need money to hire people like this and the only djs that have this money are the ones that are big and you can't get big unless you have some hit tracks under your belt. The big guys still do but that is about it. |
It still happens a fair bit today, but since there is less money to go around, fewer "ghost" producers can go this route because there is less work available. Some of the ghost producers of yesteryear had to strike out on their own and start releasing tracks under their own names. Now some of them are caught in the opposite problem, where they are being asked to DJ at parties and clubs, but they aren't DJ's really. |
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| Mad for Brad |
I still don't get why these people are still djing. There is something utterly lame about a 35+ year old djing as a career. I suppose most of them are absolutely horrendous looking and the main perk is getting laid. Not quite sure why most EDM producers look like troglodytes. Kinda like the heavy metal scene in that regard.
I hope that when i'm 40, i have a family and a stable living doing music not living out of a suitcase playing bad music for ed up 18-21 year olds. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I still don't get why these people are still djing. There is something utterly lame about a 35+ year old djing as a career. I suppose most of them are absolutely horrendous looking and the main perk is getting laid. Not quite sure why most EDM producers look like troglodytes. Kinda like the heavy metal scene in that regard.
I hope that when i'm 40, i have a family and a stable living doing music not living out of a suitcase playing bad music for ed up 18-21 year olds. |
I suppose there are a lot of reasons. I mean there are a precious few that have built pretty solid careers out of being professional DJ's, even into their 40's. Record labels, big events and the like, but those are the exception rather than the rule.
On the other hand, there are some that just get caught up in the scene and never manage to leave. I have several friends locally that are still DJing the same clubs, doing the same thing they were when I was playing out 15 years ago. Its just that's what they are good at and that's the life they know and love, so they keep on doing it. Most of them never really bothered trying to make it internationally or becoming producers, they are content just doing what they have been doing the past 15 years.
It certainly isn't the kind of lifestyle I would want to lead at my age, but who am I to judge them for what they do? If it makes them happy, then more power to them. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| I suppose it is the same as those long haired rock guys stuck in the 80s somehow thinking what they do is still cool. I just don't find entertaining 18 year olds satisfying. I used to dj along time ago. Even at 21 I was starting to feel old and that I should be doing something more useful with my life. |
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